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Bill: Alorian Conscription Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Labour Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 3098
Description[?]:
| I think it would be a great idea for all adults when they finish their schooling to joining the army. First of all it gives each and every young person the experience of being in an army so in a time of war we will have the upper hand as our soldiers have already been trained for war and plus it is character building to straighten up and give discipline to uncivilised youths who have had a troubled upbringing or are looking for a life of crime, this will sort them out in a flash. OOC: That is why the Germans were so strong in WW2, they had conscription from right when Hitler took power in 1933. The UK, we had conscription pretty late in the day in 1939 but we were lucky we still had the WW1 experience to out gun the Germans in the Battle of Britain but for some stupid reason we cancelled conscription in 1960, so yeah conscription is a good all rounder. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change National service.
Old value:: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve either a term in the military or a lesser paid term of civilian national service, at their option.
Current: All adults upon completion of schooling can be required in times of war to serve a term in the military.
Proposed: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve a term in the military.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 08:59:14, March 29, 2011 CET | From |  New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the Alorian Conscription Act |
| Message | We dont not believe forcing people to serve in the miltary. OOC: This is a personal issue to me so I won't budget on it at all. Sorry the way my party votes is the way I would vote in Real life. |
| Date | 12:53:56, March 29, 2011 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Alorian Conscription Act |
| Message | You really don't want to make people do anything don't you? This is good character building and an experience for all people to know what it is like to be in a war. As they say the best defence is a good offence that is exactly what I am doing OOC: This is a personal issue for me too, my grandparents and great grandparents served proudly for King and for Country in the British army in WW1 and WW2 and they were all conscripted but they all did a fine job in protecting us from the evils of Fascism. Conscription was what saved us from total defeat, without it, we would've been singing Deutschland Erwache faster than you could say God Save The King! So yeah, it is personal for me and I am all for it and proud of my forefathers for serving. |
| Date | 16:08:42, March 29, 2011 CET | From | Revolutionary Worker's Party | To | Debating the Alorian Conscription Act |
| Message | Making everyone serve in the military gives us a real army. If people only join the military as a career, and actually get paid for it, you'll have a mercenary army, ready to turn on your own people if they are paid by their generals to do it. If everyone has to do it, then they're all in the same boat, and thus the risk of treason (atleast to the people) diminishes. |
| Date | 19:49:26, March 29, 2011 CET | From | Christian Democratic Party | To | Debating the Alorian Conscription Act |
| Message | OOC: Interesting you bring this up, as currently I am taking a class involving US Military History and Issues of Conscience. The history of conscription happens to be one thing well read into during the class; and the problem with this is what to do about pacifists. By requiring only military service, we would be doing them a disservice by violating their personal beliefs of not making any type of violence act. I should put this IC, but not sure how to go about it, but did wish to raise this point as this has been a major theme I have recently read about. I am just not sure of how to have party feel about said issue. |
| Date | 21:12:59, March 29, 2011 CET | From | New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the Alorian Conscription Act |
| Message | As well we would like to point out, that war is a horrible thing and we dont want to force anyone to join and have to live through it, which is why were agasint this and a draft. |
| Date | 22:24:00, March 29, 2011 CET | From | Christian Democratic Party | To | Debating the Alorian Conscription Act |
| Message | We can not support this, and shall in the coming months introduce a bill to change the current law to allow service by all adults required during times of war as we fill this would be the best. |
| Date | 07:30:09, March 30, 2011 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Alorian Conscription Act |
| Message | This is madness, war is a necessary evil and the RWP has put it correctly and as usual I couldn't agree more with their arguments. If we are being pansys and not making anyone join up, then what if a time of war comes along? The other nation can have a good, strong army and since we are too pacifist they can just come down on us like a tonne of bricks OOC: I am a supporter of a large army and I think our society today has got it real easy. I reckon I was born in the wrong decade I wish iI was born in the 60's to witness to golden years of the Beatles and Rolling Stones but anyway I keep digressing what I am meant to say is back then in the 40's well in Britain at least people were conscripted and they were proud to do it for the benefit of their country, some were scared but all were prepared to die for their country. I find it interesting that the People's Party earlier mentioned that they will like to see an invasion of North Korea and they support the Libyan intervention but now they are disagreeing with a large army and conscription. Why the double standard? |
| Date | 07:38:44, March 30, 2011 CET | From | Christian Democratic Party | To | Debating the Alorian Conscription Act |
| Message | While it may be a necessary evil, as peace is ultimately an unattainable goal in our current way of thinkings and handling of situations. If a threat was deemed looming towards Aloria, we could conscript large amounts of able-bodied citizens for training and eventually deployment to confront our enemies. Our intelligence agency is top notch, and would be able to warn us of any impending threat. OOC: This issue really depends on personal views as well as cultural views. One of America's big issues has been with conscription dating all the way back to our time as a colony - being forced to fight has been a no-no, given the nature of who settled here; like the Quakers, and other historic peace churches. Again, America prior to WW1 didn't have a "draft", but did institute one prior to getting involved in the war. With what I proposed, I believe it would allow for a quick mobilization of forces. ANd much like American troops in both World Wars, they were trained a few months time, but lead by professional soldiers, or the career soldiers. Those would be the people that join up or become officers because they want too, while the conscripts would be the rank and file. This can all work out, but again the game has limitations in it's options for various laws as well as lacking some issues that are important, like the issue of conscientious objection or even exemptions. |
| Date | 09:13:08, March 30, 2011 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Alorian Conscription Act |
| Message | We need to be ready right from the word go, not from when we think an enemy might be ready to attack us. We need to remember that our intelligence agency is not a crystal ball and will not get it right ever single time. Even if they did, conscription is character building it will put in much needed discipline to youths and sort them out the minute they set foot in a training camp. OOC; Yes I agree this comes down to cultural views. Our two countries you'll find have very different mentalities. I don't know how the news of WW1 and WW2 was greeted in the US but you joined WW1 pretty late in 1917 and WW2 in 1941 so that could be a factor. But here, the news of both ward and I am not joking it was greeted with people literally dancing and partying in the streets of cities like London, Liverpool, Birmingham etc We had conscription but it wasn't really needed because so many men were so excited about going to war, partly because of a brilliant propaganda campaign put out by the government. Also a reason why the French were overran so spectacularly in WW2 was because they were not prepared and had no conscription! Also of course, the public didn't want buildings like the Eiffel Tower or the Arc De Triomphe to be destroyed so they surrendered. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes |
Total Seats: 254 | ||
| no |
Total Seats: 407 | ||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 89 |
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