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Bill: National Defence Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Labour Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 3102
Description[?]:
| This is nothing more than a common sense act. What if our defence industry is owned by a foreign company and that foreign company happens to be our enemy? Then what? The argument from the right wing will be pathetic and ridiculous |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's defence industry.
Old value:: The state owns national defence industries but these exist alongside privately owned defence industries.
Current: The state owns all defence industries.
Proposed: The state owns all defence industries.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:42:32, April 04, 2011 CET | From | Revolutionary Worker's Party | To | Debating the National Defence Act |
| Message | We agree of course. |
| Date | 18:17:57, April 04, 2011 CET | From | Christian Democratic Party | To | Debating the National Defence Act |
| Message | At this point it's redundant to state our position as you know how our party will vote. |
| Date | 19:38:42, April 04, 2011 CET | From | New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the National Defence Act |
| Message | I still don't see how we would allow a foregin company to operate a private defense industry on our soil. They can't get a majority share of anything, and I've said before the Defense Minister would put regulations on this. If you are so afraid of foregin companies owning and running a defense industry, then go ahead and draft a bill that allows the current law but has regulation that no froegin company may run defense industry. |
| Date | 08:15:21, April 05, 2011 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the National Defence Act |
| Message | Why would I do that, seeing the views from you and your friends in the CDP it will be voted down. I am not referring just to foreign industry but to also private industry at home and as you know private industry does not give a stuff about common people. |
| Date | 08:36:36, April 05, 2011 CET | From | New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the National Defence Act |
| Message | Ok let me clear it all for you: If you bring a bill (without game proposal) that clearly states no froegin industry/copmany/group/orginzation may operate or run a defense industry. Leave it in debate so we can work out the language like we did on my Child Labour Act and we will support it because we don't want a foregin company running defense industry. Now I founded and ran King Industries for 20 plus years which has been a technology company most of the time then it went into the defense industry in the last five years having contracts with the federal government to make certian defense items. I cared a lot about the common people as they are given good bonusses, pay, vacation time etc. Plus we made sure the defense items we made the one thing in our mind was: how to protect the country and support our defense department. So your costant attacks that private industries don't care about the common people are quite wrong do we have some that are fat cat slum lords oh yes we do. I can give you a list of their names if you would like. However you must realize that without private industries job growth would be destoryed. Again think about the proposal that we are giving for that bill, we would support it just not this current bill. |
| Date | 08:47:16, April 05, 2011 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the National Defence Act |
| Message | There is no need for that bill as no foreign industry may own our defence industry in the first place. However, you need to remove yourself and get rid of your ideas that [private companies will take care of us from cradle to grave, they will not and wish that we get out of their lives and let them boss us around when it should be the other way around! Now, the reason why you say private bosses "care" about common people is because you are amde to. You are made to by the unions by parties like the Labour and Revolutionary Worker's Parties, so if it wasn't for us and the unions private industry will be left with no obstacle in their wrecking ball path of destruction. So I urge you to at least have a think why private industry shouldn't be trusted with something as important as out defence and realise that they are not in it for us but for themselves. |
| Date | 08:53:16, April 05, 2011 CET | From | New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the National Defence Act |
| Message | Then stop using the damn foregin company argument!!! Geez. We admire you and the RWP for standing up for the workers however I did what I did because I am a nice guy, I could have easily stopped giving so much vacation time or the bonuses but I didn't. If we didn't have a private sector we would not have an econonmy. We see no reason why a private company can't be allowed to do defense contracts for the government. |
| Date | 08:59:11, April 05, 2011 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the National Defence Act |
| Message | Its a valid argument is it not? I am not trying to eliminate the private sector completely, all I am doing is not trusting them with vital things like our arms industry. There is a reason why they shouldn't be doing contracts with the government is because they are only in it to make a profit and they are doing it for themselves not the benefit of the nation. |
| Date | 09:12:26, April 05, 2011 CET | From | New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the National Defence Act |
| Message | No it's not a valid argument because you just said "There is no need for that bill as no foreign industry may own our defence industry in the first place." but up in the despcrtion you say about a foregin industry owning one and they cant. You believe all of them are in it just for the profit while some are probally not, however I can say the same about some unions who are out for unreasonable terms when a huge deficit is going on like no layoffs, furlogh days, or pay cuts. Or how some unions are willing to lay off 45 people instead of taking a 5 percent paycut. See it's "some" not all. Plus some private defense industrys may have better resources and less regulation to make what the government needs. |
| Date | 08:26:17, April 06, 2011 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the National Defence Act |
| Message | Alright, it is fair to say that the majority are in it for profit and for themselves, there is no denying that and it is a fact of big business. Unions do not come into this equation as they are not a business they are an organisation defending the rights of workers. Like I said you can never be 100% trusting with private industry and to gamble with them on our defence is just too big of an ask. |
| Date | 18:14:26, April 06, 2011 CET | From | Christian Democratic Party | To | Debating the National Defence Act |
| Message | But you can also never fully trust the government with complete control of an industry. Perhaps it is just from my view points and a somewhat American view, but big government is frowned upon greatly. But yes I do agree you can't completely trust private industries, but would rather trust them with some intervention from the government. |
| Date | 07:44:36, April 07, 2011 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the National Defence Act |
| Message | No, I actually would rather trust the government at least you know where they stand. OOC: In the UK we have a great ogvernment healthcare system called the NHS (National Health Service) . |
| Date | 07:46:39, April 07, 2011 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the National Defence Act |
| Message | OOC; Whoops sorry I accidentally clicked post message anyway let me continue. Currently the government is trying to privatise the NHS ad right now people are protesting in the streets because with privitisation comes increased prices so I actually think that government industry is more trustworthy than private ones. |
| Date | 02:04:06, April 08, 2011 CET | From | New Aloria Party (NAP) | To | Debating the National Defence Act |
| Message | Thats why you put tough regulation on them. Regulation without loop holes. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes |
Total Seats: 288 | ||
| no |
Total Seats: 298 | ||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 164 |
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