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Bill: The RIGHT Way
Details
Submitted by[?]: Free Trade Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 3164
Description[?]:
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Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning child labour.
Old value:: Child labour is forbidden.
Current: Child labour is forbidden.
Proposed: Child labour is allowed, but with additional regulations to those of adult labourers.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change
The government's policy regarding foreign investments.
Old value:: Foreign investors may invest in national companies, but may not get a majority share.
Current: Foreign investors need to obtain government approval for all investments in national companies.
Proposed: Foreign investors may freely invest in national companies.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Guarantee of minimum income.
Old value:: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a reasonable, though not high, standard of living by the government.
Current: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a reasonable, though not high, standard of living by the government.
Proposed: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government. However, the provision of this is not to exceed a certian period of time.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Weapons allowed to private citizens.
Old value:: Only certain types of weapons may be owned by the general public, and there are further restrictions on places where they may be carried.
Current: Only certain types of weapons may be owned by the general public, and there are further restrictions on places where they may be carried.
Proposed: Citizens may own any type of weapons, but certain types are restricted to designated places.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:03:33, August 07, 2011 CET | From | Deltarian True Christian Party | To | Debating the The RIGHT Way |
| Message | "Rather than wasting time trying to enslave children, why don't the Free Trade Party actually convene a functioning Cabinet?" --- Malik-rabban of Ushalande Chairman of the Deltarian True Christian Party High Priest of the True Christian Ministry First Patron of the Council of Saints. |
| Date | 15:07:02, August 07, 2011 CET | From | Free Trade Party | To | Debating the The RIGHT Way |
| Message | We are happy with how the cabinet stands. Sorry there's no Pope running it DTCP. Slavery isn't the way to look at that proposal as it is giving children the right to work. |
| Date | 15:10:48, August 07, 2011 CET | From | Deltarian True Christian Party | To | Debating the The RIGHT Way |
| Message | "A Pope would be a Catholic affectation, which obviously holds no interest for the True Christian Party. But there are currently vacancies in our nation's Cabinet (no Head of Government, no Minister for Education and Culture), and that's not a fair representation for the people of Deltaria. If the Free Trade Party don't want to be elected representatives, perhaps politics is the wrong job for them?" --- Malik-rabban of Ushalande Chairman of the Deltarian True Christian Party High Priest of the True Christian Ministry First Patron of the Council of Saints. |
| Date | 15:31:06, August 07, 2011 CET | From | Free Trade Party | To | Debating the The RIGHT Way |
| Message | Whoop-di-do-da-day DTCP. We're not with a HoG or Education minister for a term. More power ceded to the Head of State i.e me! |
| Date | 15:36:01, August 07, 2011 CET | From | Deltarian True Christian Party | To | Debating the The RIGHT Way |
| Message | "If the Free Trade Party wishes to see the power of the Head of Government ceded to the Head of State, the option exists to amend the Constitution to unite the two positions. Indeed, if the Free Trade Party wishes to offer such legislation, and is willing to wait until the Deltarian True Christian Party gains seats in the next election cycle... we'll actually co-sponsor just such a proposition with the Free Trade Party, and offer our support in seeing it passed. As it stands now, though - when seats sit empty in our Cabinet, the 'power' doesn't go anywhere - the jobs of the affected departments just don't get done... or, even worse, get done inefficiently and wastefully." --- Malik-rabban of Ushalande Chairman of the Deltarian True Christian Party High Priest of the True Christian Ministry First Patron of the Council of Saints. |
| Date | 15:42:35, August 07, 2011 CET | From | Free Trade Party | To | Debating the The RIGHT Way |
| Message | Clearly it doesn't need to to be stipulated in the constitution for it to happen DTCP. Education issues will still be put forward to the cabinet to debate and the Head of State will run the proceedings like the Premier would have done. |
| Date | 15:51:54, August 07, 2011 CET | From | Social Anarchy Party | To | Debating the The RIGHT Way |
| Message | Again with the child labour. |
| Date | 15:53:12, August 07, 2011 CET | From | Deltarian True Christian Party | To | Debating the The RIGHT Way |
| Message | "We are enthralled by the web of fantasy the Free Trade Party weaves, but we see no reason to believe it. The Constitution makes it clear that the Head of State and Head of Government positions are entirely separate in Deltaria. We are more than willing to see the two offices combined but - as it stands - they are not." --- Malik-rabban of Ushalande Chairman of the Deltarian True Christian Party High Priest of the True Christian Ministry First Patron of the Council of Saints. |
| Date | 16:24:10, August 07, 2011 CET | From | Progressive Party | To | Debating the The RIGHT Way |
| Message | "Welcome to our own personal hell True Christian's, as we may not get along in our ideological positions at least we can bare debating with you. Time and time again the Free Trade Party has shown Deltaria that they have no care for their rights in the workplace or for their well-being, they are essentially the scum of this Forum." -Brenda J. Harper Founder of the Progressive Party |
| Date | 16:30:40, August 07, 2011 CET | From | Deltarian True Christian Party | To | Debating the The RIGHT Way |
| Message | "The Deltarian True Christian Party may not give you reasons you like, but at least they will give you reasons. We have yet to offer "Whoop-di-do-da-day" as our logic for anything. In the interests of fair representation of Deltarians, we shall at least ATTEMPT to find common ground with the Progressive Party." --- Malik-rabban of Ushalande Chairman of the Deltarian True Christian Party High Priest of the True Christian Ministry First Patron of the Council of Saints. |
| Date | 23:39:23, August 07, 2011 CET | From | Deltarian Left | To | Debating the The RIGHT Way |
| Message | Only in this game would the phrase "again with the child labour" apply. |
| Date | 02:56:25, August 08, 2011 CET | From | Deltarian Liberal Movement | To | Debating the The RIGHT Way |
| Message | "Letting the youth of our nation earn a fair wage in employment opportunities throughout our nation is a great endeavour for our Government to undertake. If they choose to get a job at a store, or undertake paid apprenticeships - then they should have our support on this matter. Unfortunately it is the only worthwhile provision in this bill, but one deserving of consideration in its own right." - Frederick Laney Liberal Party spokesman for Education and Culture |
| Date | 02:57:15, August 08, 2011 CET | From | Deltarian Liberal Movement | To | Debating the The RIGHT Way |
| Message | "The True Christians would find it noteworthy that Slavery in any form is illegal in this nation." - Candice Lancaster Liberal Party spokeswoman for Justice |
| Date | 03:38:57, August 08, 2011 CET | From | Deltarian True Christian Party | To | Debating the The RIGHT Way |
| Message | "Actually, the True Christian Party does not intrinsically object to slavery. We'd be willing to see punitive slavery as a punishment for certain classes of crimes, for example. No - what we object to is enslavement of children, specifically." --- Malik-rabban of Ushalande Chairman of the Deltarian True Christian Party High Priest of the True Christian Ministry First Patron of the Council of Saints. |
| Date | 03:57:49, August 08, 2011 CET | From | Deltarian Liberal Movement | To | Debating the The RIGHT Way |
| Message | "Well, that's not the matter at hand. This is simple working rights, as can be afforded to any other citizen - but with protections for their youth. No need to trump it up into something it is not, if the youth of the nation wish to contribute and assist their household - then that can only be good." - Frederick Laney Liberal Party spokesman for Education and Culture |
| Date | 04:55:26, August 08, 2011 CET | From | Progressive Party | To | Debating the The RIGHT Way |
| Message | "Slavery is out of the question since the ratification of the 'League of Anti-Slavery Nations' took place in Deltaria in 3145. One of the many victories of former Chair of the Republic and Progressive Party Founder, Brenda J. Harper." http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=323247 -Amy D. Kingsley (Progressive Party) Chairwoman of the Board |
| Date | 07:38:01, August 08, 2011 CET | From | Deltarian True Christian Party | To | Debating the The RIGHT Way |
| Message | "Treaties can be revoked. And the argument that this is just about 'working rights' is a jest, surely? If children enter the workforce, there is greater scope for abuse, because children lack the experience to know when they are being taken advantage of, and are far more susceptible to coercion. Not to mention, every child in the work force at a reduced child wage, is taking a full-pay job from a member of the mature workforce'" --- Malik-rabban of Ushalande Chairman of the Deltarian True Christian Party High Priest of the True Christian Ministry First Patron of the Council of Saints. |
| Date | 08:43:04, August 08, 2011 CET | From | Deltarian Liberal Movement | To | Debating the The RIGHT Way |
| Message | "It is certainly no jest - if a 16 year old wishes to work, to assist in providing for their family and to meet their own needs - then the Government should set up circumstances in which they are allowed to. This includes stricter regulation to assure that abuses do not occur, and that the youth are not put into areas of business where any such concerns may be allowed to begin at all. I cannot see why we must force these children to be useless and inert while they have a drive and will to participate, to earn a fair wage and to build their skills for the future. If they want that head start, if they want to make a positive change for their family - then the Liberal Party is going to support them in that." - Frederick Laney Liberal Party spokesman for Education and Culture |
| Date | 08:53:05, August 08, 2011 CET | From | Deltarian True Christian Party | To | Debating the The RIGHT Way |
| Message | "We are not sure what 16 year olds have to do with anything. As this legislation stands, even infants can be put to work. The idea that this is about 'children' that are at the age of majority is somewhere between blind optimism, and self-deception." --- Malik-rabban of Ushalande Chairman of the Deltarian True Christian Party High Priest of the True Christian Ministry First Patron of the Council of Saints. |
| Date | 15:18:11, August 08, 2011 CET | From | Deltarian Left | To | Debating the The RIGHT Way |
| Message | Children, more content with less money, would be paid less decreasing wages of adult workers (especially with no minimum wage) due to job competition. This would increase poverty, which could be assisted, though not fixed, with government welfare. However, this bill adds a time limit to government assistance, which does nothing to slow the poverty rate. The increased poverty rate will cause an increase in crime, supported by the weapons the people will have more access to. Allowing child labor will also increase unemployment due to the surplus of new workers. You've created a bill that manages to make every problem it creates worse, while doing little, if anything, to solve these problems. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 61 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 154 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 157 |
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