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Bill: Education

Details

Submitted by[?]: Darnussian Strength Initiative

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: December 2150

Description[?]:

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Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date17:33:46, December 03, 2005 CET
FromSocial Democratic Party of Darnussia
ToDebating the Education
MessageA wow, a loony right winger, even more nuts then LBSC and FMP

Date17:34:26, December 03, 2005 CET
FromLibertarian party of Darnussia
ToDebating the Education
Messagei agree with the first, could you seperate it into multiple bills please.

Date20:15:46, December 03, 2005 CET
FromDarnussian Strength Initiative
ToDebating the Education
MessageI could be far more right wing if you so desire.

I don't see how disallowing charter schools, allowing public universities, and having government pay for the education of the poor is very right wing.

Date20:16:13, December 03, 2005 CET
FromDarnussian Strength Initiative
ToDebating the Education
MessageAnd I will gladly split this bill.

Date20:30:36, December 03, 2005 CET
FromVuloch Ca Korzia
ToDebating the Education
Message'Allowing public universities'? How very generous of you.

Date20:42:18, December 03, 2005 CET
FromSocial Democratic Party
ToDebating the Education
MessageAck...I.DON'T KNOW WHICH WAY TO VOTE!

Date22:02:46, December 03, 2005 CET
FromDarnussian Strength Initiative
ToDebating the Education
MessageI would say that it would be generous of us to allow public universities, as very few members of this party have any use for them. I, personally would go one step further and say that public universities receive government permission to be inefficient and of poor quality.

I see opposition to this as hypocritical. You want to give everyone education, saying "Everyone should be free to have an education", but you turn around and control what education those people get. Are you supporting freedom or indoctrination?

Date02:19:34, December 04, 2005 CET
FromSocial Democratic Party of Darnussia
ToDebating the Education
MessageYour allowing the rich to buy better education, and also driving education standards down in the process! What about those who are just above the line you would consider disadvantaged? They may still not have enough money to afford decent education and therefore have to fork out a small fortune for a low quality, cheap school, or they will quit their jobs so they can get free education!!!

Look at Africa and the low quality of education there, and it is all private! Most children in Africa cannot afford education so don't go, the same would happen here.

NLA you were saying to me on MSN how LBSC has moved towards a more sensible and pragmatic position, I think his dithering over this proves otherwise, if he is considering voting for such a stupid and wreckless bill as this one, then he is far from sensible and pragmatic and is on the lunetic fringe!

Date08:06:09, December 04, 2005 CET
FromDarnussian Strength Initiative
ToDebating the Education
MessageFirst, to the LBSC, do not let their relentless goading make you change your mind.

I will never understand this socialist view that competition creates low quality and high prices. It seems that I can't explain the benefits of this bill without starting with a economics starter course.

Date17:59:56, December 04, 2005 CET
FromChinkopodian Economic Democrats
ToDebating the Education
Message`"Your allowing the rich to buy better education, and also driving education standards down in the process! What about those who are just above the line you would consider disadvantaged? They may still not have enough money to afford decent education and therefore have to fork out a small fortune for a low quality, cheap school, or they will quit their jobs so they can get free education!!!

Look at Africa and the low quality of education there, and it is all private! Most children in Africa cannot afford education so don't go, the same would happen here.

NLA you were saying to me on MSN how LBSC has moved towards a more sensible and pragmatic position, I think his dithering over this proves otherwise, if he is considering voting for such a stupid and wreckless bill as this one, then he is far from sensible and pragmatic and is on the lunetic fringe!"

OK, thinking about it, I'll go through these points and make my decision.

1. Surely the rich are getting the same education as poor in this case?
2. The line would be placed high enough for that not to happen, I think. Another resolution we could add is that the voucher values go down in varying degrees, making it fairer.
3. But those who cannot afford it would be given vouchers, no?
4. Analysing this, it may not be as idiotic a bill as it seems. Education would improve from the current money-burdened state system, with the voucher values adjusting with these degrees this is more fair and allows an affordable rate for all, and the result of this could actually improve the situation for Darnussia. The extraordinarily rich may be able to afford better-quality schools than those on a much lower income [although the quality for the latter would still be high with my idea], but with the current system they can send their children the school in Endralon, so....

Date18:36:03, December 04, 2005 CET
FromSocial Democratic Party of Darnussia
ToDebating the Education
MessageGod, stop acting so thick CED, your number 1 point is stupid! READ THE GOD DAMN PROPOSAL! ".....vouchers to pay for the schooling of disadvantaged children."


SO THE RICH WOULD BE ABLE TO BUYT THEIR WAY INTO BETTER SCHOOLS, the worse off will have vouchers paying for low quality education......unless you want Vouchers for the best schools, in which case if the poor are given vouchers for the best schools, then I will agree then! But that will not be the fucking case, the poorest will go to the worse schools! I thought you were intelligent, not naive.

I Dont know why I even bother

Date19:18:03, December 04, 2005 CET
FromChinkopodian Economic Democrats
ToDebating the Education
MessageWho said that vouchers would say "This Voucher Certifies You Entry Into Sodbury School", or whatever? It would be a little more complicated than that.

Date19:44:38, December 04, 2005 CET
FromSocial Democratic Party of Darnussia
ToDebating the Education
Messagego on

Date20:55:35, December 04, 2005 CET
FromSocial Democratic Party
ToDebating the Education
MessageAfter much consideration (Okay, I just stared at the bill at three different times), we vote this in favor.

Date00:02:13, December 05, 2005 CET
FromProgressive Democratic Alliance
ToDebating the Education
Message"NLA you were saying to me on MSN how LBSC has moved towards a more sensible and pragmatic position, I think his dithering over this proves otherwise, if he is considering voting for such a stupid and wreckless bill as this one, then he is far from sensible and pragmatic and is on the lunetic fringe!"

Meh, I didn't see this coming.

Anyway, we respectfully are in full opposition to this bill because we cannot allow all education to be private for a private education means only one point of view is being taught in school and because of the inconsistancies in the curriculums of the schools, we will have a highly inbalanced workforce in the ways of education and skill, etc. We must allow equal opportunity so that everyone will have the chance and resources to rise and fall through their successes in our class system. This bill and a couple of others will only serve to destroy the nation, our economy and our freedom. In short, if this passes, the parties voting "yes" would be responsible for the destruction of our economy, our entreprises and will lead Darnussia into an era of third world status where an authoritarian and even communist government will overrule democracy. We cannot allow such a travesty to occur!

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
    

Total Seats: 105

no
     

Total Seats: 96

abstain

    Total Seats: 0


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