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Bill: National Democratic and Security Act

Details

Submitted by^[?]: Workers Party of Deltaria

Status^[?]: passed

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: July 3427

Description^[?]:

Further democratization and Security measure are being put in place to ensure people have their voices heard! Without fear of violence.

I also take this opportunity to try and calm the protesters who are rightly angered by the Whig Party's vicious attacks on their democratic rights.

President Schnultz,
DSP General Secretary
President of the Federal Republic of Deltaria

Proposals

Article 1

Proposal^[?] to change Ownership of guns by private individuals.

Old value:: Individuals are allowed to own firearms as long as they do not have a history of dangerous mental illness or a violent criminality.

Current: Adult individuals may own guns under strict license conditions.

Proposed: Adult individuals may own guns under strict license conditions.

Article 2

Proposal^[?] to change The appointment of mayors.

Old value:: Local governments determine the method of appointment.

Current: Citizens elect their mayor directly in a local election.

Proposed: Mayors are elected by their municipal councils.

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date	15:06:47, January 13, 2013 CET
From	Workers Party of Deltaria
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	The floor is open to debate on this bill.

Date	15:20:15, January 13, 2013 CET
From	Interim National Democratic Congress
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	We support article 1 but not article 2. Each region of Deltaria has a rich cultural history. Some cities elect mayors while some have a Town Council Executive Committee, etc. These methods have developed over the years, they are completely democratic. It's essential that the autonomy of local governments is maintained democratically. Karl Mathias Interior Minister

Date	15:23:56, January 13, 2013 CET
From	Workers Party of Deltaria
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	Whilst i fully support things may be done in a democratic way now, things could easily change in those area's where the Whig Party has a strong majority. By passing this law we will protect democracy. This should come before anything.

Date	16:41:38, January 13, 2013 CET
From	Demokratychna Delic Partija
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	We will not support a restriction on the right to bear arms

Date	17:03:51, January 13, 2013 CET
From	Workers Party of Deltaria
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	There will be no restriction. People have to go through a more vigorous process to get them. That is all.

Date	17:07:35, January 13, 2013 CET
From	Demokratychna Delic Partija
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	We call those strict licensing regulations restrictions on the right to bear arms, this law will not make anyone safer, criminals dont obey laws so this reform is pointless

Date	17:10:02, January 13, 2013 CET
From	Interim National Democratic Congress
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	Criminals don't obey laws, so we won't make laws and won't impose regulations. Now that is governance! Karl Mathias NC Gen Secy

Date	17:12:52, January 13, 2013 CET
From	Workers Party of Deltaria
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	Then an outright ban is the answer? No more guns in the country? That's fine from my point of view, but libertarians really trip themselves up sometimes. If criminals don't listen to the law then we should abolish guns, that way people will not die from un-neccesary gun fights and conflicts.

Date	17:15:15, January 13, 2013 CET
From	Demokratychna Delic Partija
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	I suppose the socialist believe that outlawing the guns will somehow get rid of the guns, taking away the populations arms is how every totalitarian regime starts, and we are accused of being facist.

Date	17:20:36, January 13, 2013 CET
From	Workers Party of Deltaria
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	The UK has a total ban on arms... are you calling the UK a totalitarian nation? The Whig party promote the ignorant right wing movement that has destroyed are country for so long.

Date	17:23:10, January 13, 2013 CET
From	Demokratychna Delic Partija
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	The UK also has the highest violent crime rate in all of europe, once every 2 seconds someone is stabbed in the UK, violent crime skyrocketed after banning the guns because it turns out the guns dont committ the crimes the people do. Currently in the uk they are debating banning knives because i guess that will make people safer.

Date	17:23:53, January 13, 2013 CET
From	Interim National Democratic Congress
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	OOC: The US is the only nation with a unique gun culture

Date	17:26:07, January 13, 2013 CET
From	Workers Party of Deltaria
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	OOC: 1 Person is stabbed everyday in the UK every 2 seconds? Reaaalllly? I live in the UK and i can tell you thats total bullshit!

Date	17:27:55, January 13, 2013 CET
From	Workers Party of Deltaria
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	OOC: Crime is higher in the west due to economic inequality. That's the truth. But you conservatives wouldn't understand that would you?

Date	17:29:23, January 13, 2013 CET
From	Demokratychna Delic Partija
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	OOC: http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/1546085/The-vagaries-of-UK-knife-crime-statistics.html

Date	17:31:36, January 13, 2013 CET
From	Workers Party of Deltaria
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	OOC: 6 a day it correlates to..... Argument over.

Date	17:33:09, January 13, 2013 CET
From	Workers Party of Deltaria
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	OOC: sorry 6 an hour.

Date	17:33:34, January 13, 2013 CET
From	Workers Party of Deltaria
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	OOC: Key point is 'maybe' stabbed. It isnt a fact.

Date	18:16:48, January 13, 2013 CET
From	Deltarian Conservative Party
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	OOC: Criminals can use the black market and can smuggle weapons. Let the law abiding people protect themselves.

Date	20:31:27, January 13, 2013 CET
From	Workers Party of Deltaria
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	We are. We just want more regulation around it to protect law abiding citizens.

Date	20:59:13, January 13, 2013 CET
From	Deltarian Conservative Party
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	How is making it difficult for them to buy a gun helping them?

Date	21:02:02, January 13, 2013 CET
From	Workers Party of Deltaria
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	Because it helps stop people who have a violent or criminal history purchasing guns, and stops promoting an industry that kills for profit. Guns are too easily accessible to the public and more regulation will help reduce crime and murder. The facts are plain and simple.

Date	01:26:50, January 14, 2013 CET
From	Interim National Democratic Congress
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	OOC: the UK is merely one nation. Look at the statistics in Europe.

Date	01:50:38, January 14, 2013 CET
From	Demokratychna Delic Partija
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	The U.K. proves guns make people safer, you cant stop criminals from getting guns because they dont care aobut the law the only ones these restrictions apply to are law abiding citizens, gun control is always the first step to a totalitarian state

Date	10:57:26, January 14, 2013 CET
From	Interim National Democratic Congress
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	OOC: such mad gun culture is only present in North America. The issue of hard line criminals getting guns is distinct. If it is a pre-established scientific fact that unrestricted sale of guns leads to lesser crime, I'll accept that, however, these mad killings in the US prove otherwise.

Date	11:00:36, January 14, 2013 CET
From	Interim National Democratic Congress
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	OOC: Canada also has an interesting gun culture but laws are stricter there.

Date	19:58:36, January 14, 2013 CET
From	Demokratychna Delic Partija
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	OOC: switzerland has some the most relaxed gun laws in the world and they have the lowest crime in all of Europe, these mass killings that have been highly publicized in the U.S. are part of an effort from our political elite and ruling class to take away americas right to bear arms because they know the economic collapse of this nation is coming and it will be hard for them to retain contol. It is true cultures that embrace personal ownership of guns is rare in the modern world, but that doesnt mean gun laws are a good thing, Castro took the guns, Mao took the guns, Stalin took the guns, if guns are inanimate objects then removing them from the populace leaves them as sheep

Date	02:04:41, January 15, 2013 CET
From	Interim National Democratic Congress
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	OOC: please, don't compare Europe with the US. The US sadly as we all know as this culture of fear propagated by the US corporate media and pathetically more conservative politically. Why can't the gun laws be regulated so at least any random psychotic kid doesn't do such stupid things, which keep on occurring? So the murder of those innocent kids is a plot I presume. There shouldn't be a gun ban or something, criminals will always be there, but such things shouldn't happen. And one doesn't see a way to this other than by restricting gun access.

Date	02:05:28, January 15, 2013 CET
From	Interim National Democratic Congress
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	OOC: What's your alternative?

Date	12:07:31, January 15, 2013 CET
From	Interim National Democratic Congress
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	OOC: please stop arguing about personal opinions if a player doesn't wish to discuss them to change them

Date	15:24:00, January 15, 2013 CET
From	Demokratychna Delic Partija
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	regulations dont stop some psychotic kid from doing stupid things, the guns didnt do the things therefore if someone wants to murder lots of innocents i dont thing they are following any regulations, also in conneticut the assault rifle the guy had was already banned, if someone wants to murder innocents they dont even need a gun so why blame the gun, you dont blame mcdonalds for making people fat. No one discusses that all these mass shooters have been on anti-deppressants, why not adress the drugs, probably because the drug lobbyist fund the NC thats why they come after guns and fund the drug lobbys Henry Poteat whig chairman

Date	04:49:06, January 16, 2013 CET
From	Demokratychna Delic Partija
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	We are accused of taking away rights yet this bill only restricts rights, first the right for law abiding citizens to have guns easily and secondly you seek to remove their right to choose how to run their local governments. The statist have returned to power.

Date	06:43:23, January 16, 2013 CET
From	Interim National Democratic Congress
To	Debating the National Democratic and Security Act
Message	We'll be proposing a resolution to further federalise Deltaria, which will ensure that democracy is maintained while local governments use their own traditional methods, unless the people oppose them. Msgr David Roque Industry Minister NC Dy Gen Secy

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Voting

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Seats

yes

Workers Party of Deltaria (82)
Right to Choose Party (49)
Deltarian Patriotic Party (37)
Interim National Democratic Congress (37)

Total Seats: 205

Demokratychna Delic Partija (108)
Deltarian Conservative Party (67)

Total Seats: 175

abstain

Democratic Union (0)
El Presidente William Party (0)

Total Seats: 0

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