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Bill: IPS - Pension Act / 2155
Details
Submitted by[?]: Imperial Party of Selucian
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2157
Description[?]:
| We have to think of our beloved citizens. Paupery is a problem for elder people and we have to help them to take care for their last third of life. With this proposal every citizen pays a monthly fee for his pension and he has the option to take a privet pension contract too. The public pension shall be a basic pension monthly, privet pension shall be used to save more then a basic pension. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the pension system.
Old value:: The state does not operate a pension system. Individuals must save up for retirement on their own.
Current: The state offers a voluntary public pension, combined with other voluntary private pensions.
Proposed: The state operates a compulsory public system combined with an optional private pension.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:09:31, December 13, 2005 CET | From | Selucian Sovereignty Party | To | Debating the IPS - Pension Act / 2155 |
| Message | As I've stated, I think a compulsary pension system is essential. I think it saves problems for the empire in the long run. |
| Date | 21:03:06, December 13, 2005 CET | From | Selucian Liberty Party | To | Debating the IPS - Pension Act / 2155 |
| Message | Compulsory systems are simply stealing money from people, not providing them with a choice. That is the real problem I have with it |
| Date | 21:49:25, December 13, 2005 CET | From | VBS Party | To | Debating the IPS - Pension Act / 2155 |
| Message | I totally agree with LP |
| Date | 04:15:45, December 14, 2005 CET | From | Green Moderate Party | To | Debating the IPS - Pension Act / 2155 |
| Message | Exactly. |
| Date | 04:16:06, December 14, 2005 CET | From | Green Moderate Party | To | Debating the IPS - Pension Act / 2155 |
| Message | Meaning, I agree with this bill. |
| Date | 21:05:18, December 14, 2005 CET | From | Selucian Liberty Party | To | Debating the IPS - Pension Act / 2155 |
| Message | Care to explain why you support a compulsory system? |
| Date | 13:29:38, December 15, 2005 CET | From | Imperial Party of Selucian | To | Debating the IPS - Pension Act / 2155 |
| Message | During the working life our beloved citizens earn theri money. Some of them have a good education and a good understanding of pensions others don't have this ever learned or infos about. While in priciple the people shall take care about their own matters we are also responsible to avoid paupery in the divisions of retired working people. We are not speaking about a pension to save a current standard of living. This would increase only the needed money. We are speaking about a basic pension garanteing people don't need to stay on the streets and that they are able to buy food. Therefore the needed amount of money is very small. This will work if we don't abuse this money for other projects. It isn't a generation contract too. Every working citizens has his "own" money account. After 40 years of working you recieve your pension which garantees a basic income. For additional income or to keep a current living standard citizens should sign privet pension contracts. In this way we avoid paupery in this group of citizens and still let them be responsible for additional wishes for their pension. |
| Date | 21:14:20, December 15, 2005 CET | From | Selucian Liberty Party | To | Debating the IPS - Pension Act / 2155 |
| Message | But we are stealing. Legitimate governments do not steal. If this is passed, it will not be a legitimiate government. Stealing is an issue I feel very strongly about |
| Date | 22:16:23, December 15, 2005 CET | From | Selucian Sovereignty Party | To | Debating the IPS - Pension Act / 2155 |
| Message | I don't view this as theft. I view it as investment. It is no different than collecting education taxes and giving the people the benefit of public schooling. |
| Date | 23:58:27, December 15, 2005 CET | From | Selucian Liberty Party | To | Debating the IPS - Pension Act / 2155 |
| Message | I also view taxes as theft, but it is necassary. How is government pension necassary? |
| Date | 03:18:45, December 16, 2005 CET | From | Selucian Sovereignty Party | To | Debating the IPS - Pension Act / 2155 |
| Message | Pensions are only necessary insofar as you live to retirement. If there were no retirement age in Selucia, I'd be inclined to agree that no compulsary pension system necessarily need to exist. However, given that 65 is our retirement age, it necessitates a pension system. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 253 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 248 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 74 |
| Random fact: "Jezvraljogadsrlji" means "Social" in the Jelbic languages. |
| Random quote: "Benefits should be conferred gradually; and in that way they will taste better." - Niccolo Machiavelli |