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Bill: Progress through Tolerance

Details

Submitted by[?]: Liberaalne Blokk

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: July 3485

Description[?]:

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date19:34:59, May 14, 2013 CET
FromSocialistiska Forum
ToDebating the Progress through Tolerance
MessageMr Chairman,

We will abstian from voting on this bill as a protest to the mixed up articles.

Gustav Enlund
HVP Parliamentary Leader

Date07:10:30, May 15, 2013 CET
FromSocialistiska Forum
ToDebating the Progress through Tolerance
MessageMr Chairman,

I the bill does pass because of the abstention, the centre-right majority will tear it down piece by piece as the articles should have been introduced separately. Why should inheritance law, abortion and curfews be in the same bill?.

Gustav Enlund
HVP Parliamentary Leader

Date07:14:39, May 15, 2013 CET
FromLiberaalne Blokk
ToDebating the Progress through Tolerance
MessageMr Chairman

Because we want to abolish archaic laws that has been instated long ago. All of these laws are about tolerence and progress.

Kristjan Eenpalu MF
Shadow Interior Affairs Minister

Date09:02:29, May 15, 2013 CET
FromSocialistiska Forum
ToDebating the Progress through Tolerance
MessageMr Chairman,

What does inheritance law have to do with tolerance or progress? Or anarchic Article 1? The DNV is a party of protest not of government with views like these. They will be doomed to eternal opposition if they continue like this I'm sure.

Gustav Enlund
HVP Parliamentary Leader

Date09:07:36, May 15, 2013 CET
FromLiberaalne Blokk
ToDebating the Progress through Tolerance
MessageMr Chairman

Government has no right to intrude inheritance of deceased and citizen's right to assembly. We aren't anarchic, we are progressive libertarian.

Kristjan Eenpalu MF
Shadow Interior Affairs Minister

Date10:40:44, May 15, 2013 CET
FromSocialistiska Forum
ToDebating the Progress through Tolerance
MessageMr Chairman,

So the Hon . Mr Eenpalu would have Govt stand aside and watch while for instance far right and far left protestors attack each other because of so called rights. Or have violent protesters smash people's houses/ businesses because of so called rights? This is what the majority would define as anarchical views.

Jarl Olof Bolen
Interior Minister

Date10:56:16, May 15, 2013 CET
FromRojalistiska Enhetspartiet
ToDebating the Progress through Tolerance
MessageMr. Chairman, the DNV's proposal would allow, among other things, violent and dangerous protesters to go riot, smash property, assault people and, God forbid, murder. Is this the DNV's idea of rights - the rights to destroy, beat up and kill? Are we supposed to tolerate this seriously aberrant behaviour? Does the DNV believe that we'll achieve progress by endangering public safety? Simply, if people act in a way which is likely to cause harm, they have no right to continue to behave in such a manner, and the police are fully justified in intervening.

Janina Bjorklund, Infrastructure and Transport Minister, Deputy Leader of the REP

Date11:53:14, May 15, 2013 CET
FromLiberaalne Blokk
ToDebating the Progress through Tolerance
MessageMr Chairman

Governments could deny the rights of opposition and refuse to give their right to protest under the name of security. I oppose to that. We will compromise that government can disperse a crowd under state if emergency.

Kristjan Eenpalu MF
Shadow Interior Minister

Date12:07:50, May 15, 2013 CET
FromRojalistiska Enhetspartiet
ToDebating the Progress through Tolerance
MessageMr. Chairman, I find it repugnant that the opposition would challenge the democratic integrity of this government in such a blatant manner when this government has rock-solid democratic credentials. Do not forget that it was this government which introduced a popular democracy into Telamon. We would not attempt to silence opposition groups under the pretext of security, and I hope that the DNV, the only alternative government, would not either. We would only crack down on a protest if it were violent and posed a serious threat to the public. Frankly, by the time a state of emergency can be declared, people can be hurt and even killed, and property can be damaged. The DNV's excessively meek approach on law and order - especially where violence is concerned - will get in the way of the authorities when they need to respond to a serious and rapidly developing situation. The law should stand as it is.

Jacob Bergstrom, Chancellor

Date12:15:09, May 15, 2013 CET
FromLiberaalne Blokk
ToDebating the Progress through Tolerance
MessageMr Chairman

I think Chancellor Bergström got me wrong. This government establishment isn't that makes us worried. What makes us worried that the situation before this government's establishment. Those were scary days.

Kristjan Eenpalu MF
Shadow Interior Minister

Date12:16:20, May 15, 2013 CET
FromRojalistiska Enhetspartiet
ToDebating the Progress through Tolerance
MessageMr. Chairman, I don't think that it's the intention of the political community or indeed the Telamonese people at large to return to those days, so I believe that the DNV's fear is perhaps misplaced.

Jacob Bergstrom, Chancellor

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Total Seats: 152

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Total Seats: 130


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