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Bill: Make Rutanians SMARTER Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Capitalist Working Families
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 3536
Description[?]:
Since SCIENTIFIC studies have demonstrated that a diet rich in Omega 3 Fatty Acids (found mostly in FISH) can actually IMPROVE cognitive brain function and can even correct chemical IMBALANCES of the brain that many mentally ill citizens suffer from, this bill seeks to INCREASE fish production in Rutania. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Commercial fishing regulation.
Old value:: Local governments can establish fishing quotas
Current: The government establishes fishing quotas.
Proposed: There are no limits on the amount of fish that may be caught.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:52:51, August 24, 2013 CET | From |  Sunbeam Squad | To | Debating the Make Rutanians SMARTER Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I should like to remind the highly science literate members of the CWFP that overfishing results in the collapse of the ecosystem and misery for everyone. A. Granger, SS Leader |
| Date | 00:27:55, August 25, 2013 CET | From | Capitalist Working Families | To | Debating the Make Rutanians SMARTER Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, (1) (a) We would like to remind the members of the SS Party that ANYTIME government imposes restrictions on the people's FREEDOM (to catch fish to make themselves SMARTER), it does NOT stop that behavior. So, if the Local government of Delvar imposed a fishing quota law, all that would result REALISTICALLY is that citizens who WANT to fish will just go to the BLACK MARKET (run by Organized Crime) where the Government will not get a DIME in taxes. :O (b) In addition, it is actually very DIFFICULT for Government to STOP organized crime b/c government officials who are tasked with ENFORCING the laws against crime are FLAWED individuals and eventually take BRIBES from Organized Crime bosses. Thus, anyone who votes against this bill is just GIVING IN to organized crime in Rutania. (2) Can the SS Leader, Amelia Granger, PLEASE cite a SOURCE for her "claim" that overfishing results in "misery for everyone"??? Our source for the POSITIVE BENEFITS of eating fish can be downloaded at the following link: cf. http://www.webmd.com/diet/features/what-to-know-about-omega-3s-and-fish cf. http://archpsyc.jamanetwork.com/article.aspx?articleid=210554 ---The CWFP |
| Date | 02:06:58, August 25, 2013 CET | From | Sunbeam Squad | To | Debating the Make Rutanians SMARTER Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, The black market of fish that will result from the regulation of fishing quotas are insignificant compared to the benefits of said regulation, which are the preservation of the environment and the maintenance of a sustainable fish population. Furthermore, a study from the University of Newtonia has indeed confirmed that overfishing is a serious threat to the well-being of everyone. Their paper can be found here: http://dujs.dartmouth.edu/winter-2012/the-threats-of-overfishing-consequences-at-the-commercial-level . There are many more such papers which warn of the dangers of overfishing, to be found simply by the use of Koogle search. It is evident that no amount of taxation that escapes the government's grasp or the rise of a “fish mafia” can outweigh the benefits of fishing quotas. The fact that fish are healthy are not in dispute. What is in dispute is the sanity of allowing the limitless exploitation of environmental resources. The limitless exploitation of fish - that is, limitless until all the fish are gon - does not even guarantee the increased consumption of fish. What it guarantees is the eventual extinction of fish, accomplishing exactly the opposite of the CWFP's goals since Rutanians will have no fish left to eat. Moreover, fish already is reasonably inexpensive in Rutania, owing to our long and grand naval tradition; and Rutanians can have as much fish as they can afford. And, I ask the CWFP to note this, Rutanians could eat as many fish as they *want*. Which brings up another question: the CWFP's competence for reasoning. The CWFP have been proven to build bloated castles in the air out of some very small facts; and worst of all they want to impose their lop-sided fantasies on Rutania. Such lakc of intellectual rigour have no place in Rutania. A. Granger SS Leader |
| Date | 09:57:14, August 25, 2013 CET | From | Capitalist Working Families | To | Debating the Make Rutanians SMARTER Act |
| Message | http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=390581 Mr. Speaker, (1) Did you actually get a chance to READ that article submitted by the SS Leader, Ms. Granger? If you did, notice that she BLATANTLY LIED when she said "Overfishing is a serious threat to the well-being of EVERYONE." Actually, there was not ONE SINGLE LINE in the article that expressed an argument of how overfishing harms the HUMAN population. It just presented evidence on how it damages OTHER marine animal ecosystems. Of course, to give Ms. Granger the "benefit of the doubt," if she did NOT "lie" maybe she was smoking some (now legal) cannabis that IMPAIRED her judgment :O . Regardless, since she had the NERVE to say our party lacked "intellectual rigor" and thereby "have no place in Rutania," we must likewise say that she is just UNFIT to be President of the People of Rutania. (2) (a) With respect to the INTEGRITY of preserving our planet's ENVIRONMENTAL resources, the CWFP has been a STEADFAST defender of protecting the environment and even LED the fight to establish a 100% RENEWABLE energy policy. Ironically, the SS's record on the environment is actually CONFLICTING as they have recently voted AGAINST a law that we submitted that PROTECTS Rutania's TREES and FORESTS and her Environmental RATING by the people is listed as "Skeptic-leaning" with the our's as "Moderate Environmentalist": cf. http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=390572 (b) Now, for the more RATIONAL members of this body, we just would like say that protection of the ENVIRONMENT (and even animals) is important, but "Animal Rights" do not EXCEED that of HUMANS. Remember, the human species is the KING/QUEEN of the ENTIRE Animal Kingdom according to Darwinian Evolution with SUPERIOR cognitive brain function, mobility, and even what SOME citizens in Rutania would argue a "Soul." Therefore, LOWER animal species were designed for the BENEFIT of humans FIRST. And this means, if humans WANT unlimited fish from the waters, government bureaucrats have NO BUSINESS setting them aside because a few marine ecosystems were "damaged." That is a NON-sensical argument. (c) Then again, since the SS Leader has already publicly announced support for basically DOMESTICATING (i.e. "raping") animals to just have SEX with them, we strongly feel she needs an evaluation by a Psychiatrist from the Rutanian Psychiatric Association. :O (3) "Moreover, fish already is reasonably inexpensive in Rutania, owing to our long and grand naval tradition; and Rutanians can have as much fish as they can afford. And, I ask the CWFP to note this, Rutanians could eat as many fish as they *want*."--AG, SS Leader (a) Finally, in response to this last criticism from the SS Leader, we would like to respectfully demand that she cite some ACTUAL economic STATISTICS instead of her "hearsay" on her claim that "fish are inexpensive." According to economists UNIVERSALLY in Rutania, when a government imposes QUOTAS on ANYTHING, it automatically LIMITS the supply; if the supply is LIMITED, and consumer DEMAND (for fish) EXCEED that limited supply, the price will go UP, UP, and UP!!! This is the LAW of Supply & Demand: cf. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Supply_and_demand ---The CWFP OOC: Personally, I do not even KNOW what is this girl's (SS Party user) PROBLEM by constantly showing me NO RESPECT!!! Does she even KNOW who I am and/or what resources and connections that I have??? I mean, I am currently in the process of starting my own publicly-traded corporation in which my company is projected to earn at least $1 million in income beginning around March of 2014. In the meantime, I was just being an inconspicuous "interloper" on these internet websites like particracy and facebook to see if I could actually RECRUIT intelligent individuals that I developed a "friendship" with REGARDLESS if we had diametrically opposing political beliefs. So, if the SS user doesn't wish to be "friends" with me, I really do NOT give a FLIM-FLAM. Actually, it is HER (or "his" if it is boy) LOST of a potential BUSINESS OPPORTUNITY to make a little extra money that EVERYBODY needs ;) . All in all, thanks for hearing me out and take care. :) |
| Date | 15:33:06, August 25, 2013 CET | From | Sunbeam Squad | To | Debating the Make Rutanians SMARTER Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, It seems that the self-proclaimed science literate CWFP cannot adequately fathom the consequences of damaging the ecosystem, where the extinction of one species can lead to a chain reaction and the extinction of even more species. As the article previously cited mentions, overfishing results in the depletion of fisheries, which not only affects marine dwellers, but also birds, bears and, notably, humans. Limitless fishing will not increase production; it will increase the amount of fish caught, thus *reducing* the amount of fish that will be left in the water to produce - more - of - themselves. It puts a frown in my face whenever a very simple and rather obvious chain of reasoning escapes the highly rational, intellectually sophisticated people of the CWFP. By the way, I'm being sarcastic, for those of you who have a propensity not to see the obvious. So much for the CWFP's Lords of the jungle!!! 'argument'. And if the CWFP would care to review the transcripts of the 'Give Love to Animals' bill, I have never promoted bestiality. I have spurned to the CWFP's disgraceful attempts, directly addressed to me, to make a deal in the middle of debate, in the middle of the Parliamentary floor. If the CWFP could recall, I was PM at the time, and it was the Rt Hon Morris Ridgeway-Bates who was in charge of the SS's more mundane Parliamentary activites. And really, no one has ever disputed his logic that if we are allowed to murder animals, we should be allowed to make love to animals, which is a far less harmful thing to do to them. I also seem to recall that the CWFP was willing to vote for the bestiality bill, and have indeed made their own bill to legalise bestiality. The CWFP's criticism of the SS in this regard is pure hypocrisy. And to address the CWFP's concern for the SS's environmental record, the SS supports environmental policies that (a) promote clean energy (b) put local governments in charge of their environmental resources since they have a better knowledge of the aspects of their environment and its corresponding needs (c) are sensible. Thus, the CWFP should not be surprised if the SS is voting against environmental anarchy, or voting against policies that would wrest environmental control from local governments, I would also like to take this opportunity to ask the CWFP to stop pretending to know how the SS's stands on matters where the SS has never stated their position explicitly. [OOC: I really do not care about you or anything about you. Also, you do not know anything about me, my sex or my actual political beliefs. When you send someone something like five messages everyday, a lot of them spam, do not expect his friendship or respect. And when you TYPE in CAPS nearly EVERY OTHER WORD like a fucking ILLITERATE, you are BOUND to INFURIATE PEOPLE. ] |
| Date | 15:33:46, August 25, 2013 CET | From | Sunbeam Squad | To | Debating the Make Rutanians SMARTER Act |
| Message | [Cont.] A Granger, SS Leader |
| Date | 21:23:48, August 25, 2013 CET | From | Capitalist Working Families | To | Debating the Make Rutanians SMARTER Act |
| Message | http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=390581 Mr. Speaker, (1) The ONLY logical argument that the SS Leader has made in response to the HUMAN population is that overfishing may actually REDUCE the amount of fish caught. This is a legitimate criticism of which we wholeheartedly respect. However, if this is the case, the MARKET (fishing industry) would naturally develop solutions to SOLVE the problem of a reduced fishing supply as it affects their bottom-line and profit. Government bureaucrats do not NEED to force individual Rutanians to catch a quota of fish which history has PROVEN that it will only lead to a BLACK MARKET run by Organized Crime developing in the future as in other cases of governmental overreach. (2) As for the bestiality bill, many of our party members are actually adherents to the Hosian and Yeud faiths in Rutania which actually CONDEMN "animal [sex/rape]" as a sin and thereby we are personally opposed. However, when the SS Party submitted the bill, they were subjected to MOCKERY by other members of the parliament (in specific, the UPR Party) so we just felt "SORRY" for the SS Party and was willing to make a "deal" to help pass their "Animal RAPE" law. In fact, we originally voted AGAINST the bestiality bill. ----The CWFP OOC: First of all, I NEVER "spammed" you as the "technical" *definition* of "spam" is UN-solicited COMMERCIAL messaging. I have ONLY individually messaged you---[like I have nearly EVERYBODY else playing this game even from OTHER nations of which I have gotten POSITIVE feedback from]---to respectfully inquire your specific objections to a bill that I was trying to pass OR just to initiate casual conversation and clarify some of my "controversial" stances on issues; it's not MY fault that you are ANTI-social. Moreover, I resent the term "illiterate" as SLANDER/libel as I am personally an HONORS student from the Top 3rd Liberal Arts College in the nation according to Standard n' Poor's in 2002 (Manhattan College); regardless, using capital letters to STRESS certain points in which people cannot do in NON-verbal communication has NOTHING to do with cognitive function or ability; in fact, it was COMMON PRACTICE in the early days of the Country (United States) for Newspapers and journalists to often use CAPITAL letters to stress certain points. Don't believe me? Just read "The Federalist Papers" and old copies of the New York Post from 1789. Thank you. :) |
| Date | 23:52:16, August 25, 2013 CET | From | Sunbeam Squad | To | Debating the Make Rutanians SMARTER Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, It looks like the SS have to fully and carefully spell out their arguments before the CWFP can even recognise it. The SS has already addressed the CWFP's fears of a fish mafia and escaped taxation opportunities for the government. A fish mafia could arise; it is true; but surely that possibility should not prevent us from trying to prevent ecological collapse, the consequences of which are far more dire - any reasonable person could see that. Moreover, how is the CWFP so sure that companies would start regulating themselves? Companies are historically proven not to; they are historically proven to exploit anything for as long as it still can be exploited; in fact, the very reason the University of Newtonia paper was written was because when left to themselves companies and people do over-fish, and it is damaging marine ecosystems, the fish industry's future economic prospects, and Rutanians' supply of Omega-3. Am I the only one who finds it odd to try to increase Omega-3 consumption by legislating the limitless exploitation of resources? Does the CWFP realise what a travesty this bill is? Lastly, if the CWFP were so terribly opposed to bestiality, how come they proposed a bill that sought to legalise bestiality? I must also remind the CWFP that they put their vote in the 'Give love to animals' bill up for sale. The CWFP's attempts to cover up their colossal hypocrisy is shameless and contemptible. A Granger SS Leader [OOC: Spam has a wider definition than 'unsolicited commercial messaging'. The definition includes sending the same message over and over again, which you are guilty of (sending one in Parliament and at least another one in my inbox, as if what you wrote publicly was not already available to me). Again, I implore you to stop sending me PMs as your previous record in useful PMing is less than stellar and I have been obliged just to press the delete button whenever I see your name in my inbox. Furthermore, in this millennium, the extensive use of caps denotes SHOUTING and is commonly utilised by internet half-wits. This should give you a clear idea of how you sound like - I'll even give you a hint: you don't sound like Hamilton - or Madison, or Jay. None of these three ever used caps to the exasperating extent you do. If you want to change my perception of you (i.e. that you are an obnoxious and belligerent half-wit), you may first want to try writing like an educated person.] |
| Date | 04:03:08, August 26, 2013 CET | From | Capitalist Working Families | To | Debating the Make Rutanians SMARTER Act |
| Message | "Moreover, how is the CWFP so sure that companies would start regulating themselves? Companies are historically proven not to;"--A. Granger, SS Leader Mr. Speaker, In response to the SS Leader's comment: Of course, we *agree* that corporations and businesses work for *profit* and will do anything to maximize their profit even at the expense of others in the community. However, in light of the evidence in Ms. Granger's article that overfishing actually *reduces* fish in the oceans, that means logically that the fish companies will *not* make a higher profit. Therefore, in order to rectify their *Bottom-Line* (Profit), they *naturally* will collaborate with scientists and engineers in the industry (in Rutania) to see how to *increase* fish production and *still* overfish w/o any governmental quotas that will lead to a "Fish Mafia" (as the SS Leader *agreed* could arise). ---The CWFP OOC: First and foremost, I *only* sent a copy of the public message to your inbox b/c Particracy does *not* send notifications to our emails when we post our rebuttals on the public debate page. Sometimes, some people might *forget* about the last bill that they were debating when another 20 bills is proposed. In other words, the PM was sent for *your* convenience. Btw, only *you* is defining "spam" as broadly as that. Facebook.com in their "Terms and Policies" *strictly* defines "Spam" as "unsolicited *commercial* messaging." I don't even think that Particracy has a "Spam Policy," but if it did can you can please send it to me? Regardless, I *never* sent the *same* message over and over again. Each message was *different* in nature whether professionally or personal in an attempt at casual conversation. Thank you. :) |
| Date | 04:44:37, August 27, 2013 CET | From | Sunbeam Squad | To | Debating the Make Rutanians SMARTER Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, The SS has already addressed all these points. If the CWFP would care to to look at the complete sentence from where they took their quote of me, they, if they are intellectually honest or possessing at least an average degree of perceptiveness, should know that companies already have been given a chance to exhibit their prowess for long-term planning. Their performance was dismal, continue to be dismal (despite abundant information that overfishing is a danger for everyone concerned), and probably will continue being dismal without government intervention. As I have previously mentioned, this is why the University of Newtonia paper was written in the first place. The CWFP should stop gaping at free-market dogma and start looking reality in the face. A Granger SS Leader [OOC: Are you purposely being obnoxious or are you uniquely incapable of discoursing with an even tone? You have no excuses. Everyone else can write like civilised beings; you may want to try it sometime if you want people to take you seriously. And I obviously do not want your 'notifications' ; I have told you so time and again; you had better finally get it into your thick skull that you ought to keep your spam to yourself. It is fucking irritating sifting though your useless messages; it gets in the way of the messages that I can read only in my inbox. By the way, I'm not going to take my definition of spam from someone who did not even know that all-caps signified SHOUTING, and whose knowledge of internet communications medium is limited to Facebook and and a primitive web-game.] |
| Date | 07:09:07, August 27, 2013 CET | From | Capitalist Working Families | To | Debating the Make Rutanians SMARTER Act |
| Message | OOC: SS, what the hell are you talking about??? in the *last* post that I made used *no* caps or "capital letters." You're either a *liar* or *crazy* for real. :'( |
| Date | 00:41:13, August 29, 2013 CET | From | Sunbeam Squad | To | Debating the Make Rutanians SMARTER Act |
| Message | [OOC:*How* many *times* do *I* have to *tell* you to *stop* the *PMs*??? I do *not* read *them* - you *violated* your *trustworthiness* on this *matter* by *sending* me 'notifications' I have *neither* asked for nor *wanted*. And for fuck's sake just write decently.] |
| Date | 07:04:40, August 30, 2013 CET | From | Capitalist Working Families | To | Debating the Make Rutanians SMARTER Act |
| Message | OOC: "And when you TYPE in CAPS nearly EVERY OTHER WORD like a fucking ILLITERATE, you are BOUND to INFURIATE PEOPLE."--SS Hello. I did *Not* mean to disturb you *if* it were against your wishes and this has *nothing* to do with "politics." Well, anyway, since you have *attacked* my "Mental Capacity," I have *no choice* but to respond as my *reputation* is at stake as I am in the process of Starting my own Publicly-traded corporation in which I was *planning* on even hiring many people who I casually enjoyed this Particracy game with in the Senior Management making from a range of $300,000 to $500,000 per year. In specific, to address your *irrational* claim on my "mental capacity," I just would like to respond in *fairness* that back in 2005 when a lot of students at my College basically were saying that I was "crazy" behind a "controversial" article that I wrote exposing *corruption* in the Student Government, I just decided to get an official "Head CAT Scan and Brain MRI" exam to evaluate my "mental capacity." If you would be *interested*, I will be glad to send you the actual *Medical Documentation* from a Board-Certified *Neurologist* (Dr. Gwendolyn Hotson, M.D., a "Brain Doctor," if you will) that *confirms* that I am *not* "mentally ill/psychotic/schizophrenic/"an idiot" etc. (the *medical* terminology for "crazy") and thereby do *not* need "medication" as is routinely prescribed for those individuals. In addition, an article from the American Journal of Psychiatry (a peer-reviewed *scientific* publication) provides additional information on "abnormal psychiatry/psychology" or what is generally referred to as "crazy" by us in the population. Hope this clarifies everything with respect to my *mental capacity*. Thanks and take care. best, Christian P.S.: Of course, just send an email to Cksavage472@yahoo.com . Of course, out of respect to your wishes, I will *never* send you unsolicited e-mails but *only* *1* with the Medical Article and *Medical Documentation* attached. Thanks again. :) |
| Date | 13:34:19, August 30, 2013 CET | From | National Purity Union | To | Debating the Make Rutanians SMARTER Act |
| Message | OOC: Now that we all have your e-mail address, perhaps you can stop sending us messages, and know that if we want to get in touch with you, we have many options available to us. I'm a practicing psychologist in my private life. If a neurologist used a CT scan and MRI to decide if you have difficulty with mental health issues, that person is a quack. CT scans and MRI scans can identify structural problems within the brain, but something like schizophrenia or mental capacity can't be determined by brain scan (at least, not yet). You would need an evaluation by a mental health practitioner (preferably a Ph.D. psychologist or M.D. psychiatrist), not a brain scan. All a neurologist can tell you is if you have physical brain damage. Best of luck with your publicly traded company. I now consider my business with you closed, and will be ignoring any messages you send, in or out of character. |
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