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Bill: Reform des Grundeinkommens, 3564
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberale Volkspartei
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 3565
Description[?]:
| Herr Präsident, while we believe in social security for those in need, welfare should never be a viable career choice. Dr. Franz Hechl, MdR LVP-Budenlar Spokesman for Health Services |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Guarantee of minimum income.
Old value:: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government.
Current: All adults shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government.
Proposed: All adults not supported by another person shall be guaranteed a very basic subsistence income by the government. However, the provision of this is not to exceed a certain period of time.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:17:19, October 22, 2013 CET | From | Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund | To | Debating the Reform des Grundeinkommens, 3564 |
| Message | Herr Präsident, I would hardly call the system as it exists a "viable career choice". A very basic subsistence income is just enough to live on, not a luxurious state-sponsored life. I hope the right honourable gentleman was not implying that those on the basic subsistence income were seriously overpaid, while many of them want to work and are scraping to get by. |
| Date | 19:18:08, October 22, 2013 CET | From | Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund | To | Debating the Reform des Grundeinkommens, 3564 |
| Message | shr. ehrwr. Morinaga Yoshiro MdR, HDV - Hilgar Minister for Health and Social Services |
| Date | 19:25:11, October 22, 2013 CET | From | Liberale Volkspartei | To | Debating the Reform des Grundeinkommens, 3564 |
| Message | Herr Präsident, it is true that the minimum income is not a payment of huge size, but it nonetheless sets wrong incentives, and it is at least theoretically possible for a person to live on it without working. We can help struggling working people more efficiently by increasing the role of marketplace competition to bring prices down and also by providing subsidies for crucial services such as transportation or energy as we have proposed in other bills. A minimum income that goes beyond temporary assistance until finding a viable job, however, is not a policy we consider either economically sound nor socially justified. Dr. Franz Hechl, MdR LVP-Budenlar Spokesman for Health Services |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |
| yes |
Total Seats: 224 | |
| no | Total Seats: 419 | |
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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