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Bill: !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! New Cities !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!!
Details
Submitted by[?]: Movement for White Supremacy
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2164
Description[?]:
| This is our resolution on new Cities See http://www.takeforum.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=3103&highlight=cities&mforum=particracy for rules. we can have 4 cities per region, and the cities need to be approved by a 2/3 majority This is a forum for opinions. FINALIZED CITY LISTS BY COUNTY: (Reasoning and history for cities placed in parenthesis) Lirath County: * Darina (National Capital) * Anker (County Capital) * Dolgarburg (Former Capital, and historic home of the royal family prior to the restoration) Karzon County: * Kingston (County Capital) (another ancient royal capital with some nice historic chateaux) * Playasol (Largest city in the nation) * Port Walton (Biggest Trade City in Nation, located on Bay on east side of Island) Kirzon Valley County: * Kizeniv (County Capital) * Devanter (Added for Empress Devanter) Quagotu County: * Kyozi (County Capital) * Edonovo (Highly diverse city near Endralonian Border) * Ostseen (City on Mountain Plateau) Hodari County: * Hodarhaven (County Capital) * Stommstad (Named after Former Prime minister) * Fort Cameri (Important Defensive position on Peninsula, Site of Historic Battle for Dolgar Independence) |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 06:07:39, December 25, 2005 CET | From | Movement for White Supremacy | To | Debating the !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! New Cities !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! |
| Message | Well, I have always wanted a Wal Mart Distribution center in Kirzon... J/k Any comments? Preferably, we need notable Dolgarian figures and statesmen. |
| Date | 19:40:36, December 25, 2005 CET | From | Socio-Democratic Union | To | Debating the !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! New Cities !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! |
| Message | Well, why would we stick with figures or statesmen ? Cities are rarely named after people, at least in the old world... |
| Date | 00:29:16, December 26, 2005 CET | From | United Dolgaria Party | To | Debating the !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! New Cities !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! |
| Message | Waltonville |
| Date | 06:45:22, December 26, 2005 CET | From | Alianse Progresivitāte | To | Debating the !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! New Cities !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! |
| Message | Here are the current Cities, but please put them into the description of the Bill, along with any new ones we add, and we'll ask the mods to add em all at once. Also open to amending the existing ones. :-) Lirath County: * Darina (National Capital) * Port Kyren (County Capital) * Dolgarton (Former Capital, and historic home of the royal family prior to the restoration) (Needed because sometime in the 2080s, the capital city was named after an assassinated politician from the Libertarian party - so where did the royals live before, and where was our capital before?) Karzon County: * Kingston (County Capital) (another ancient royal capital with some nice historic chateaux) * Playasol (Largest city in the nation) Kirzon Valley County: * Riversberg (County Capital) * Devanterton (Added for Empress Devanter) Quagotu County: * Kyoshi (County Capital) Hodari County: * Point Wanniki (County Capital) |
| Date | 16:11:48, December 26, 2005 CET | From | Dolgarian Imperial Revivalists | To | Debating the !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! New Cities !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! |
| Message | If you're going to name things after politicians, surely something should be names after Stomm Stommson, our longest serving Prime Minister... |
| Date | 20:36:19, December 26, 2005 CET | From | Liberty and Prosperity Party | To | Debating the !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! New Cities !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! |
| Message | I think we can only have a max of four named cities, sadly enough.... |
| Date | 20:36:35, December 26, 2005 CET | From | Liberty and Prosperity Party | To | Debating the !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! New Cities !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! |
| Message | We can still RP the others, though. |
| Date | 01:03:04, December 27, 2005 CET | From | United Dolgaria Party | To | Debating the !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! New Cities !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! |
| Message | Isn't the limit 5 per county? So we can have a total of 25. I have no problem in having a city called Stommville in either Hodari or Quagotu. |
| Date | 04:46:01, December 27, 2005 CET | From | Movement for White Supremacy | To | Debating the !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! New Cities !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! |
| Message | 4 per county |
| Date | 04:51:39, December 27, 2005 CET | From | Movement for White Supremacy | To | Debating the !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! New Cities !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! |
| Message | I want waltonville to be the most important international-trading dolgarian city in karzon.kinda like a Hong Kong. but yea, we have 20 cities to blow. So... all of RPD's cities, plus devantertown er whatever, and etc sounds good. I'll post a new debate. I agree with Stomm's perspective, but stomm (the prime minister) wasnt assasinated, and is still alive if i am not mistaken. but anyhow |
| Date | 08:54:23, December 27, 2005 CET | From | Alianse Progresivitāte | To | Debating the !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! New Cities !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! |
| Message | Stomm can die of natural causes and then get the city named for him. Plenty of politicians actually do get things named for them after their death by other-than-assassination (i.e., how many Jeffersons, Washingtons and Jacksons are there in the USA as placenames... all three lived to a ripe old age...) Waltonville can be a major port city... Each city would ideally get an entry in the wiki, so there'd be some ability to add other stuff, like the history of the city, etc. I'd be curious about things like what cities were named before they got their current names, particularly for Darina, Devanter's city, and Stomm's... |
| Date | 20:50:58, December 27, 2005 CET | From | Movement for White Supremacy | To | Debating the !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! New Cities !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! |
| Message | allright cool with me 3 things 1. How are we going to kill of stomm 2. What is the city gonna be named 3. Where do you want it |
| Date | 20:51:41, December 27, 2005 CET | From | Movement for White Supremacy | To | Debating the !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! New Cities !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! |
| Message | *kill off stomm* |
| Date | 01:16:28, December 28, 2005 CET | From | United Dolgaria Party | To | Debating the !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! New Cities !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! |
| Message | If IPD agrees, Stomm can die of natural causes and we can name a city after him in Hodari. |
| Date | 17:19:39, December 28, 2005 CET | From | Dolgarian Imperial Revivalists | To | Debating the !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! New Cities !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! |
| Message | That's what I'm thinking, died of a heart attack at the ripe old age of a hundred and twenty nine, shortly after getting booted out of office.... I mean he did serve as PM for what, 30+ years or something? And well he'd been around since I started playing the game, so was probably well into his second century..... |
| Date | 17:20:31, December 28, 2005 CET | From | Dolgarian Imperial Revivalists | To | Debating the !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! New Cities !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! |
| Message | And just plain old Stomm as the city name will do. We don't need to invent new ones, just replace some of the existing ones, which wer merely added as place-holders a while back..... |
| Date | 17:57:30, December 28, 2005 CET | From | Movement for White Supremacy | To | Debating the !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! New Cities !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! |
| Message | Well, just for my info, Which ones were placeholders? I dont really like placeholders unless there was some sort of symbolic significance attached. |
| Date | 07:31:53, December 29, 2005 CET | From | Dolgarian Imperial Revivalists | To | Debating the !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! New Cities !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! |
| Message | Everything bar Darina IIRC, but I suppose Dolgarton counts as well.... |
| Date | 08:18:32, December 29, 2005 CET | From | Alianse Progresivitāte | To | Debating the !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! New Cities !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! |
| Message | Yeah, basically everything is technically a "placeholder" but only because cities currently have no real effect in game. |
| Date | 16:25:25, December 29, 2005 CET | From | Socio-Democratic Union | To | Debating the !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! New Cities !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! |
| Message | "Landengstaat" for Kirzon Valley. "Edonovo" for Quagotu. "Fort Cameri" for Hodari. Here are my suggestions. |
| Date | 22:43:43, December 29, 2005 CET | From | Liberty and Prosperity Party | To | Debating the !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! New Cities !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! |
| Message | I'm going to make some suggestions based on my theme for the nation's ethnic breakdown, climate, and geography: Hodari (Since I suggested it's like the Netherlands, and we can use a Dutch-like language for the ethnicity's language) "Port Wanniki" renamed "Hodarhaven" (haven is port in Dutch, and I am guessing the people of Hodari call themselves Hodars) "Stommstad" (stad is Dutch for city) Lirath (Since Lirath is like Bavaria in my geographic description, I guess the Dolgars are like the Bavarians/Germans) "Dolgarburg" instead of "Dolgarton" (burg seems to be more common in Bavaria that stadt, so that's why I used that) "Anker" instead of "Port Kyren" (Anker is German for Anchor. I figure the city is a port, so it seemed clever to me) Quagotu (I figured it was like Poland, but I'm using Prussian names since Prussia did exist in northern Poland, and Dolgars I already equated with Germans). "Kyozi" instead of "Kyoshi" (sounds polish =P) "Vieleseen" (would translate from German to "many lakes," again seemed creative to me) "Ostseen" (would translate to "Eastern Lakes," seemed creative again...) Kirzon Valley (Theme continued, I figure the Kizenians are like Ukrainians) "Pekapol" instead of "Riversburg" (Russian Peka for river with Ukrainian Pol for city. If LPD could correct me on this, that would be great... I cannot speak Russian or Ukrainian, and figuring this out is like walking around blind) "Kizeniv" (named after the Kizenians) "Devanter" (I think Devanterton sounds flakey, so just Devanter) I cannot bother with Karzon... and Irish them, and all, it would be too difficult for me after all this. Lol *falls over dead, having put far too much thought into this* Comments? |
| Date | 12:20:37, December 30, 2005 CET | From | Movement for White Supremacy | To | Debating the !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! New Cities !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! |
| Message | I subjectively added cities, but they all sound good. SDUs post I added EDonovo and Fort Cameri German sounding Landengstaat didnt match with the russian sounding cities in Kirzon Valley Asfar as LPP I only didnt add Vieleseen and Pekapol, First one sounded redundant to Ostseen, and Pekapol is a goofy city name. We have 3 cities for each region. If our future leaders or parties decide to add or remove cities, they will be able to do so from this starting point |
| Date | 12:22:06, December 30, 2005 CET | From | Movement for White Supremacy | To | Debating the !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! New Cities !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! |
| Message | Sending to vote. We need 2/3 majority to get these cities added. |
| Date | 14:59:22, December 30, 2005 CET | From | United Dolgaria Party | To | Debating the !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! New Cities !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! |
| Message | It's too late, but actually river in Russian is "reka", not "peka". However, because the Russian and English letters are different, the Russian letter "P" has the "r" sound. As to Ukranian, although most of my ancestors are from the Jewish village of Berdichev in Ukraine, only one person in my family (my grandfather) knows Ukranian. Anyway, I'm for. |
| Date | 20:19:31, December 30, 2005 CET | From | Liberty and Prosperity Party | To | Debating the !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! New Cities !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! |
| Message | You missed the third city in Kirzon Valley... |
| Date | 01:23:20, January 01, 2006 CET | From | Liberty and Prosperity Party | To | Debating the !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! New Cities !!IMPORTANT DEBATE!!! |
| Message | It got 2/3rds. =) |
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| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 546 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 204 |
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