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Bill: OOC: Institutions in Solentia, for use in RP
Details
Submitted by[?]: Grand Liberal Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 3970
Description[?]:
| It is my intention here to develop a list of resources that we can use in our RP to give it a more consistent and authentic feel. Let me know of anything that should be included, this is just a start. Some maybe 'owned' by another player so need permission to use, others maybe in the public domain for us all to use News Independent News Group (GLP) The Times News Group (UP) Halion Post (WP) The Gild Times (MG) National Press Charter - voluntary regulation organisation Education Metropolitan University of Pinara University of East Halion National University of Halion Chan University (DP) Solentian Student Union - publication SU voice Association of University-Vice Chancellors Students Against Facism Youth Organisations Young Liberal Unionist Youth Wolfcubs Political Solentian Heritage Coalition Thinktank Unity - left leaning Churches / Religion Xzarin Catholic Church Halion Airport Community Church - left leaning, into social action Pressure Groups Solentian Civil Liberties Association Trade Unions National Union of Cleaners and Caretakers (NUCC) Businesses Gild Mercantile Solentia (MG) Dynamic Arts Karma Koffee - coffee house chain Byrne Foundation Prince Inc. - Supermarket chain Medicare - Private health clinics Community Groups Solentian Chamber of Commerce Charity Kennedy House Trust Other Institutions The National Gallery - Halion Social Groups Fuwan set - group of intellectual, artsy, hippy types |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:32:09, May 30, 2014 CET | From |  Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the OOC: Institutions in Solentia, for use in RP |
| Message | Can I request to add the following that I RP fairly frequently or intend to? :) * Byrne Foundation (Business) * Prince Inc. (Supermarket Chain) * Kennedy House Trust (Charity) * National Union of Cleaners and Caretakers (NUCC) (Trade Union) * Unionist Youth (our youth branch) * Solentian Heritage Coalition (Political alliance) |
| Date | 19:35:04, May 30, 2014 CET | From | Grand Liberal Party | To | Debating the OOC: Institutions in Solentia, for use in RP |
| Message | Will add them. Just gone through the last couple of forum pages so far. Is it a good idea? There doesn't seem like a point in making something up from scratch if others have used something similar in the past |
| Date | 20:01:19, May 30, 2014 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the OOC: Institutions in Solentia, for use in RP |
| Message | I think it's a sound idea; it gives newer players a chance to see what exactly we're referring to and why certain institutions are seen as important. :) |
| Date | 01:28:32, May 31, 2014 CET | From | Wolfpack | To | Debating the OOC: Institutions in Solentia, for use in RP |
| Message | Cheers, this is an excellent idea, Matty. Eventually it could go onto a wiki page, perhaps. Please add Wolfcubs, the youth branch of Wolfpack. Can someone explain to me about the religious background in Solentia? According to the Cultural Protocols, the Theognosian Church has the highest membership of any religious group. I'm a bit confused about the Xzarin Catholic Church is. Wouldn't an organisation with a name like that be banned under the rules prohibiting direct references to RL religions? |
| Date | 01:40:53, May 31, 2014 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the OOC: Institutions in Solentia, for use in RP |
| Message | Aquinas: The victory of the Theognosian Church was for a very long time unsure. It has come about as the result of the apparently final death of SenorNoPant's involvement with the game. He stood as the long-term advocate of Xzarin Catholicism in Solentia (not sure what his etymology was with that, but the first party in the Federal Republic in 2399 was the Xzarin Catholic Party, a tongue-in-cheek spoof of the most extreme elements of the US Republican Party, which created a theocratic republic just prior to SenorNoPants deciding he'd rather go less theocracy and more Federal Republic). We see a sort of microcosm of the religion issue in PT broadly in Solentia. Xzarin Catholicism was the pet project of SenorNoPants. It was never developed but it was maintained through his sheer willpower against my own, Gobbleke, and Meritocracy's efforts to bring it into conformity with Theognosianism, which has some wider following in the South Majatran region. THAT SAID, Theognosianism itself is not popular outside of with a few folks... It essentially was the pet project of Meritocracy and a few others (I know a few were in Rildanor, etc), but I know that many people in the know on these things wanted to merge IT in turn into the larger religions. As to the use of the word Catholic, I do not think it is an infraction, since it is a synonym for "universal" and not necessarily a reference to the Roman Catholic Church. Xzarin Catholicism, at least, was not tied to Roman Catholicism. |
| Date | 01:46:35, May 31, 2014 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the OOC: Institutions in Solentia, for use in RP |
| Message | Also, National University of Halion has been RPed in the past as a center for historic and liberal arts study. Good idea, matty.berry. |
| Date | 01:49:53, May 31, 2014 CET | From | Wolfpack | To | Debating the OOC: Institutions in Solentia, for use in RP |
| Message | Thanks for that Zanz, you've clearly been around for a lot of Solentian history! :) I'm still a bit confused though. What is the Xzarin Catholic Church like and how many people does it represent? It's not mentioned in the Cultural Protocols. Given the Xzarin Catholic Church's role in Solentia's history (Senor No Pants, the theocracy, Father Bailen's reforms etc.) I personally would not want to see it retconned out of existence, but maybe we need to do something with it? ie. Acknowledge it in the Cultural Protocols, or turn it into the Solentian branch of the Theognosian Church, I dunno...any thoughts? |
| Date | 01:51:08, May 31, 2014 CET | From | Wolfpack | To | Debating the OOC: Institutions in Solentia, for use in RP |
| Message | Matty, please add Halion Post for newspapers. I've used that once or twice now. |
| Date | 01:55:27, May 31, 2014 CET | From | Wolfpack | To | Debating the OOC: Institutions in Solentia, for use in RP |
| Message | http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Xzarin_Catholic_Party Hmm I've just found some info about the Xzarin Catholic Church here. Quite interesting. Actually, I'm not sure it's even Hosian/Christian! I had presumed it was loosely based on the RL Catholic Church. |
| Date | 01:58:24, May 31, 2014 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the OOC: Institutions in Solentia, for use in RP |
| Message | I think to say that it was the Solentian branch of Theognosianism is the simplest way to preserve that aspect of Solentian history and to make Solentia fit more readily with the immediate region. The good thing about Xzarin Catholicism is that absolutely nothing on it was ever explained. SenorNoPants simply wanted a church of his own (as was popular then) and created one. There was no explanation of its function, and there was never need for one as after SenorNoPants decided to create George Bailen and move away from the theocracy he had spent maybe a few days building, religion never played a major role again in Solentia until Meritocracy and Gobbleke (secondarily) started to bring it into the more broad republican/monarchist debate. The more important role that the XCC played, in my opinion, is the role that it DIDN'T play. It was a point of pride for SenorNoPants' Federal Independent Party that Father George Bailen, a XCC himself, "saw the light" so to speak and moved away from theocracy into secularism and tolerance. This fed a lot into the SenorNoPants' interest in maintaining Solentia as a secular republic (aka America) throughout the years. We called this general idea "Bailenism" and it's very difficult to explain; I'm sure I haven't done well enough here. In summary, Bailenists were pro-secularism, pro-isolationism, pro-Federal Republican, and pro-Solentian Heritage (which I capitalize out of undying love for that effort that really brought the four of us old guys together despite our real hatred for each other, because hey, better the evil you know). "Solentian Heritage" itself could be said to be many of those things too, although arguments could be made that part of the Solentian Heritage might be monarchist too, or at least aristocratic, and SenorNoPants would roll in his PT grave to hear me writing it now ;) |
| Date | 02:01:17, May 31, 2014 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the OOC: Institutions in Solentia, for use in RP |
| Message | Ah, well there is that link. I suppose that would complicate things. To be fair though, I stand by what I said in my second paragraph above. He may have written that out, but you can tell by the dates (2450 or earlier) that it was abandoned remarkably early in the period of modern Solentia (which began 2399). And he never RPed any of that. So I suppose if you want to develop it from there you could. But it'd be easier (and not much of a loss IMO) to wedge it into Theognosianism. That's what's been done in the Protocols thus far, at least. |
| Date | 02:14:39, May 31, 2014 CET | From | Wolfpack | To | Debating the OOC: Institutions in Solentia, for use in RP |
| Message | Yes, I'm also inclined to think the smoothest thing to do would be to retroactively incorporate the Xzarin Catholic Church into Theognosianism. This should probably be clarified in the next revision of the Cultural Protocols though, since at the moment it states "49% Theognosian Church" and there is no mention of XCC. Father Bailen, it seems, is a kind of "Founding Father" figure for Solentia. It occurs to me that we could have some interesting debates today about which political party is the "Heir to Bailen". Maybe Wolfpack, with its support of international isolation, hostility to Ahmadi theocracies and general "traditionalism" might attempt a (admittedly flimsy!) claim on it. |
| Date | 02:45:15, May 31, 2014 CET | From | Gilde Mercantile Solentia | To | Debating the OOC: Institutions in Solentia, for use in RP |
| Message | Matty please add these: Gilde Times (National newspaper owned by the Gilde and is blatantly pro-Gilde) Gilde Mercantile Solentia Inc. (Collective term for Gilde family businesses) Chamber of Trade and Commerce ( My newest pet project) I support your plans guys. The Xzarin Church needs reform :) |
| Date | 04:03:38, May 31, 2014 CET | From | Gilde Mercantile Solentia | To | Debating the OOC: Institutions in Solentia, for use in RP |
| Message | *Gilde Today actually...my bad :) |
| Date | 10:57:38, May 31, 2014 CET | From | Grand Liberal Party | To | Debating the OOC: Institutions in Solentia, for use in RP |
| Message | I quite like the Xzarin church idea, and I have actually used it a few times in my RP. From the very beginning, socially liberal religious types have been involved in my party, many of my first characters were Revs, we even had a Bishop at some point. I would like to see the XCC as a loose confederation of very diverse Churches, that way we could all rightly use them in our RP at some point if we wished. A bit like good old Anglicanism, bound together out of tradition and practicality rather than zealous faith |
| Date | 13:43:03, May 31, 2014 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the OOC: Institutions in Solentia, for use in RP |
| Message | We also have a solid though secondary Queranzariah community in Solentia that some of us have tried to let bubble under the surface for a long time. I've had several "Muslim" characters over the years and have always pushed for a Querenzariah presence in the cultural protocols. |
| Date | 16:22:33, May 31, 2014 CET | From | Grand Liberal Party | To | Debating the OOC: Institutions in Solentia, for use in RP |
| Message | I have done very little with this, largely to highlight my partiy's IC mild hypocrisy, but I think the time could be right now to develop this concept more fully |
| Date | 01:46:03, June 01, 2014 CET | From | Wolfpack | To | Debating the OOC: Institutions in Solentia, for use in RP |
| Message | Am I right in presuming the Ahmadi/Muslim community in Solentia doesn't really have any over-arching religious organisation to represent it? |
| Date | 22:36:50, June 01, 2014 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the OOC: Institutions in Solentia, for use in RP |
| Message | Nope- they're largely unorganised and are a collection of independent local groups. |
| Date | 23:19:38, June 01, 2014 CET | From | Wolfpack | To | Debating the OOC: Institutions in Solentia, for use in RP |
| Message | That's what I thought it would be, thanks. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 16 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 273 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 136 |
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