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Bill: Cleaning the mess
Details
Submitted by[?]: Grand Nationalist Fraction
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 3756
Description[?]:
| We, Minister of Justice of Lodamun, ask permission to the Presidium to set up a trial, being: Zardugal, Alduria, Beiteynu, Rutania, Selucia, Tukarali, Kanjor, Baltusia, Al'Badara, Vorona and Vanuku versus Hashim Zahir Boulos, also known as Wadud Mostafa El-Mofty. cfr. http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5934 All of the nations mentioned above are entitled to hand in their demands and request. We propose to extradite the accused to Baltusian authorities and to seize all of his properties. We demand to be present during the trial, through a representative, and to be able to make claims aswell. signed, Little John Murphy-Spaak Minister of Justice Port Golavia, January 8, 3755 |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:21:52, November 07, 2014 CET | From | Baltusia Partido Conservador | To | Debating the Cleaning the mess |
| Message | OOC: Before we debate this I need to know something, who is the person all of the nations including mine are up against? Could I have a description please? |
| Date | 21:23:54, November 07, 2014 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Cleaning the mess |
| Message | OOC: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=5934 I didn't put this up, thought you were aware of this. |
| Date | 22:08:30, November 07, 2014 CET | From | Baltusia Partido Conservador | To | Debating the Cleaning the mess |
| Message | OOC: I am now thank you. |
| Date | 22:12:14, November 07, 2014 CET | From | Baltusia Partido Conservador | To | Debating the Cleaning the mess |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We agree that this criminal needs to be tried and jailed for his obvious crimes against 11 nations, it simply can't be denied. We belive that he should not be tried in Lodamun but elsewhere, either a country that was directly involved in this or a country that is completely not involved and totally neutral. This man is an international crook and he needs to be put to Justice, just not in Lodamun. Jenna Collins, Baltusian Ambassador to Lodamun |
| Date | 13:20:38, November 08, 2014 CET | From | Social Libermuns Party | To | Debating the Cleaning the mess |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I am almost insulted on behalf our Minister Mr. Little John Murphy-Spaak. Lodamun has made great strides recently in providing justice. It may be for the best that Hashim Zahir Boulos (also known as Wadud Mostafa El-Mofty) be tried in a different manner than our usual fair, but to show such disregard for Lodamun's courts in our Presidium will not do, Ms. Collins. Mr. Murphy-Spaak, what do you feel would be the best way to involve the international community in this case? ~ Godfrey Grant Foreign Affairs Minister |
| Date | 13:30:18, November 08, 2014 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Cleaning the mess |
| Message | Mr. Grant, all of the nations would be invited to send over one or more representatives to our nation to participate in the trial. If necessary I would allow an independant and neutral court to decide the outcome of the trial. Eventhough, Mr. Boulos should be given a fair trial. So none of the accusing nations should be represented in the board of judges. Since we do not extradite criminals, the process should take place in our own nation. since, for as far as I'm aware of, we have got no treaty signed with one of the accusing nations on extradition, no extradition will occur. Little John Murphy-Spaak Minister of Justice |
| Date | 14:25:35, November 08, 2014 CET | From | Social Libermuns Party | To | Debating the Cleaning the mess |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, It would be remiss of me not to point out the following treaty with Kanjor: http://classic.particracy.net/viewtreaty.php?treatyid=2848 I think your proposal is more than adequate however, Mr. Murphy-Spaak. Lodamun should be given the chance to show that it can cooperate with other nations and serve out proper justice on an international stage. ~ Godfrey Grant Foreign Affairs Minister |
| Date | 14:32:12, November 08, 2014 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Cleaning the mess |
| Message | Mr. Grant, thank you for pointing that out. You're right. Eventually, I would be willing to extradite the accused to Kanjor. Obviously under certain agreements. If Kanjor would like to organize the trial they can hand in an extradition request. Little John Murphy-Spaak |
| Date | 03:29:17, November 09, 2014 CET | From | Conservative Monarchist Alliance | To | Debating the Cleaning the mess |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I agree with others who have spoken here who are appalled by the crimes of Wadud Mostafa El-Mofty. This man needs to be brought to justice, even if, in this case, that means the machinery of international justice has to be somewhat improvised. So far as we know, El-Mofty's worst crimes have been committed outside of Lodamun, but let us remember he has also broken the law here too. His successful application for Lodamese citizenship was submitted under a false name and concealed the details of his notorious criminal background. Given these circumstances, surely the Minister of Justice would be justified in stripping this man of his Lodamese citizenship and thus removing his immunity from extradition? He did, after all, obtain his citizenship through illegal and deceitful means in the first place. Given Lodamun's unfortunate record on civil rights it would probably be best, if only for matters of appearance, to let El-Mofty be tried under another jurisdiction. We would be happy to see him deported to Kanjor, Baltusia or another responsible government involved in the El-Mofty affair. Anton Rietveld Chairman of the Conservative Monarchist Alliance |
| Date | 06:22:13, November 09, 2014 CET | From | Miflaga Herut Yibeiteinu | To | Debating the Cleaning the mess |
| Message | Mr Speaker, We ask that al-Mofty be sent to our country to serve his debt to society. He was convicted and sentenced in absentia in a fair trial Failing that, we would ask that he be sent to Baltusia.We believe such an action would improve your country's exceedingly poor international image while also serving the cause of justice. Dr. Uri Shaked MK Foreign Minister |
| Date | 07:20:19, November 09, 2014 CET | From |  Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Cleaning the mess |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, That Ahmadi pig did not go through the proper citizenship process. He is not a citizen here. If foreign troops want to come and get him, we won't even protect him. We do not want him here. -- Gordon Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, President of Lodamun |
| Date | 09:12:17, November 09, 2014 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Cleaning the mess |
| Message | Colleagues, I suggest we extradite Mr.Mofty and seize his property for the benefits of the nation. Everyone agrees with the Baltusian claim? Little John Murphy-Spaak Minister of Justice |
| Date | 12:00:02, November 09, 2014 CET | From | Social Libermuns Party | To | Debating the Cleaning the mess |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The President has spoken. It seems that extradition to Baltusia would be for the best. Godfrey Grant Foreign Minister of Lodamun |
| Date | 15:11:26, November 09, 2014 CET | From | Miflaga Herut Yibeiteinu | To | Debating the Cleaning the mess |
| Message | Mr Speaker, Beiteynu as stated earlier, has no problem with the extradition to our dear friends of Baltusia. As for the issue raised with Foreign Minister Grant, we will keep our end of the bargain and do as we promised. Dr. Uri Shaked MK Foreign Minister |
| Date | 16:38:40, November 09, 2014 CET | From | Baltusia Partido Conservador | To | Debating the Cleaning the mess |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We would be happy to take this international criminal to our nation and bring him to Justice, he will have a quick and fair trail. There is overwhelming evidence that he committed these crimes so there is no reason why he should not be convicted. We would like to thank Lodamun for their flexibility on this matter, we are very glad that they made the right decision. Jenna Collins, Baltusia Ambassador to Lodamun |
| Date | 16:41:55, November 09, 2014 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Cleaning the mess |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, let it be known that as soon as the Presidium has accepted this proposal, the accused will be transferred to Baltusia. I hope Mr. Grant will see to it that everything happens in a smooth and professional way. Paul Murphy-Spaak Jr. LNC chairman vice-President of Lodamun |
| Date | 17:01:43, November 09, 2014 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Cleaning the mess |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, we would like to have confirmation of Baltusian officials that there is no infection hazard whatsoever regarding the Foreign Flew before we send a representative to their nation. Anders Murphy LNC spokesman |
| Date | 17:29:04, November 09, 2014 CET | From | Baltusia Partido Conservador | To | Debating the Cleaning the mess |
| Message | *Speaking from Baltusia* Mr. Speaker, I can absolutely assure Mr. Murphy that the Foreign Flew has been dealt with and our Health officials came out with a report stating that the Foreign Flew is over in Baltusia with no more confirmed cases in over two weeks and all 57 infected over the past year have been cured. The Foreign Flew only had a small outbreak in the city of La Villita in Albiland which is in Baltusias south, there have been no other cases in any other province and there are no cases in any province currently. Baltusia has beat the Foreign Flew. Rosalinda Selena, Baltusian Health & Social Services Minister |
| Date | 22:30:33, November 09, 2014 CET | From | People of Freedom (P.F) | To | Debating the Cleaning the mess |
| Message | Mr. Speaker. We support the trial and death sentence of this terrorist. We would like to see death sentence handed down. We also make note of the government lack of using the security apparatus set up by previous administrations to make sure things like this dont happen. -10 points to the government. Raven Valentinn JDP Deputy Leader Leader of the Opposition |
| Date | 22:51:11, November 09, 2014 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Cleaning the mess |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Nothing regarding immigration was changed by my administration. By the law, and the regular procedures of obtaining citizenship, this man would not have been allowed into the country. He obviously snuck in and has been living here as an illegal immigrant. The "property" that he owns in Lodamun would bankrupt him if he was paying the correct tax rates; he isn't registered in our tax system or legally employed. I would not be surprised if it was the HLF that was responsible for getting him into the country. -- Gordon Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, President of Lodamun |
| Date | 01:34:14, November 10, 2014 CET | From | Conservative Monarchist Alliance | To | Debating the Cleaning the mess |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We are happy with this proposal to extradite El-Mofty to Baltusia, so he can face justice there. In fairness, though, it seems fair that his victims should be compensated from his estate. After he is convicted, El-Mofty's assets in Lodamun should be used for this purpose. It would be wrong for the Lodamese government to take advantage of this situation by simply seizing all of El-Mofty's wealth for itself. Anton Rietveld Chairman of the Conservative Monarchist Alliance |
| Date | 08:09:13, November 10, 2014 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Cleaning the mess |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, for the record: this individual got into Lodamun during the Jones administration. Anders Murphy LNC spokesman |
| Date | 13:24:21, November 10, 2014 CET | From | Social Libermuns Party | To | Debating the Cleaning the mess |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Isn't Mr. Rietveld being charitable today? El-Mofty's crimes are predominately money laundering. So that main "victims" of his crime are governements from tax evasion and organizations from scams. his "assets" should be distributed amongst those with a claim. That may well include the Lodamese government. In any case, it is up to Baltusia to deal with it all now. Dr. Uri Shaked MK, I am looking forward to Lodamun being on better terms with your government. Let me know when you get out of that treaty. ~ Godfrey Grant Foreign Minister of Lodamun |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 517 | |||||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | |||||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 82 |
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