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Bill: Terrorist Vigilance
Details
Submitted by[?]: Grand Nationalist Fraction
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 3757
Description[?]:
| Because of the most recent terrorist bombing, we suggest to be more harsh towards terrorists. There shall be no place for terrorists in Lodamun. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The use of torture for obtaining information.
Old value:: Torture is never allowed.
Current: Torture is never allowed.
Proposed: Suspects can only be tortured under grave emergencies where the information is vital.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:35:45, November 09, 2014 CET | From | People of Freedom (P.F) | To | Debating the Terrorist Vigilance |
| Message | Mr. Speaker. We dont support this loose and simplistic bill in its current form. Raven Valentinn JDP Deputy Leader |
| Date | 01:37:35, November 10, 2014 CET | From | Conservative Monarchist Alliance | To | Debating the Terrorist Vigilance |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, In the face of the terrorist threat, we are prepared to consider a number of options, but accepting torture is not - and cannot be - one of them. Besides being ineffective, because it simply encourages suspects to say whatever they think their interrogators want them to say, torture is also deeply immoral and inimical to the values of liberal democracy. Anton Rietveld Chairman of the Conservative Monarchist Alliance |
| Date | 02:16:04, November 10, 2014 CET | From |  Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Terrorist Vigilance |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Hosians lie anyway. Their dishonesty due to an interrogator's pressure won't be any more than their dishonesty if they were not under torture and an interrogator's pressure. Hosians are simply liars, and Hosian terrorists are simply lying terrorists. -- Gordon Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, President of Lodamun |
| Date | 12:36:12, November 10, 2014 CET | From | Social Libermuns Party | To | Debating the Terrorist Vigilance |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, While I agree with the sentiment, I can't see how this would improve the ability of the LSS to deal with the issue. |
| Date | 00:58:20, November 11, 2014 CET | From | People of Freedom (P.F) | To | Debating the Terrorist Vigilance |
| Message | Mr. Speaker The current Internal Affairs Minister has no idea how to deal with threats legitimately. As well as the comments by my friends and previous upper level colleagues in the LSS state they have no confidence in the minister. A disgrace to the once effective security apperatus. Matteo Powers Leader of the JDP Leader of the Opposition |
| Date | 01:22:47, November 11, 2014 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Terrorist Vigilance |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, It is not about the competence of the LSS. It is about whether this bill will really help the LSS or not. -- Gordon Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, President of Lodamun |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 173 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 426 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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