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Bill: New number of senators (V4)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Alderdath Lebrali Demkratti
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2054
Description[?]:
| we need more senators to maintain adequate representation of the people |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The total number of seats in the legislative assembly. Should be between 75 and 750.
Old value:: 245
Current: 450
Proposed: 255
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 12:03:26, May 16, 2005 CET | From | Alderdath Lebrali Demkratti | To | Debating the New number of senators (V4) |
| Message | this will be onefor every 150000 people |
| Date | 12:36:43, May 16, 2005 CET | From | Union of Work-Shy Elements | To | Debating the New number of senators (V4) |
| Message | Wow, déjà vu! |
| Date | 13:10:27, May 16, 2005 CET | From | Alderdath Lebrali Demkratti | To | Debating the New number of senators (V4) |
| Message | Yep. We increased our support in the last election therefore we have a right to address this issue |
| Date | 14:16:56, May 16, 2005 CET | From | Free Market Party | To | Debating the New number of senators (V4) |
| Message | We will still vote no. The current Senate operates just fine with 245 members. We do not need to increase the number of Senators every time the population increases by 150,000 people. That would require the Senate to add a new seat every few months. We would constantly be increasing the size of the Senate by 1 seat. That is ridiculous. Also, we just don't like the number 293. It is an awkward number. |
| Date | 16:02:03, May 16, 2005 CET | From | Alderdath Lebrali Demkratti | To | Debating the New number of senators (V4) |
| Message | But if we keep the number of seats the same that will mean that we may end up with huge constituencies in 20 or so years time |
| Date | 19:44:31, May 16, 2005 CET | From | Universal Humanists | To | Debating the New number of senators (V4) |
| Message | We will always support measures to increase the number of seats when it is done to allow greater access to decision-makers. It also allows for greater depth of talent within the Senate. |
| Date | 20:17:05, May 16, 2005 CET | From | Union of Work-Shy Elements | To | Debating the New number of senators (V4) |
| Message | In the days that have past since we were last debating this issue my view hasn’t altered. I can therefore only repeat my argument. In nations that have increased their number of senators to the levels you are suggesting two parties emerge as dominant and the rest have little say in what happens. How is that unappealing situation going to be good for Kundrati democracy? |
| Date | 20:21:04, May 16, 2005 CET | From | Union of Work-Shy Elements | To | Debating the New number of senators (V4) |
| Message | If I could just add, it’s fine talking about better representation and all that sort of stuff but you have to look at the consequences of this bill if it were approved and those consequences are not good. |
| Date | 02:59:59, May 17, 2005 CET | From | Unio enim si quis Motus Populi | To | Debating the New number of senators (V4) |
| Message | Perhapes a less dramatic increase in seats? Maybe only and increase of 10 or 20? |
| Date | 16:59:54, May 17, 2005 CET | From | Alderdath Lebrali Demkratti | To | Debating the New number of senators (V4) |
| Message | now what do you think? |
| Date | 20:15:29, May 17, 2005 CET | From | Union of Work-Shy Elements | To | Debating the New number of senators (V4) |
| Message | I’m overwhelmed by feelings of ambivalence. |
| Date | 21:36:33, May 17, 2005 CET | From | Unio enim si quis Motus Populi | To | Debating the New number of senators (V4) |
| Message | We will support this. It is a just compromise, allowing for some leway and aleviating some stress on constituencies. |
| Date | 21:45:50, May 17, 2005 CET | From | Free Market Party | To | Debating the New number of senators (V4) |
| Message | We are still unhappy with this amendment. The assumption still seems to be that we will raise the number of Senators indefinitely. Our Constitution is not a plaything that should be amended every time our population increases by a certain amount. We should find a number of Senators we are happy with and maintain that number. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 96 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 98 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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