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Bill: Common Sense Bill of 2168
Details
Submitted by[?]: SeeYainHell Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2169
Description[?]:
| Proposed: Child labour is forbidden. It lowers wages for everyone else and leads to an uneducated public, easy enough to decide on. Proposed: 18 (age of schooling) Education is critical, and if 18 is considered adult, shouldn't children be in schools? If not then an adult officially should be 16 Proposed: The government may not seize private property. The Right to Property which the Government must defend, not cast aside when it's convieniant Proposed: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden, except in religious schools. There is no state religion, why should religion still be enforced into the minds of children? Proposed: All workers have the right to strike. No matter who they are. Equality of Social and Civic Standing. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning child labour.
Old value:: Child labour is regulated by local governments.
Current: Child labour is mandatory; all children must seek employment.
Proposed: Child labour is forbidden.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The age until which students, if education were to be compulsary, are required to be educated (limited between 16 and 21).
Old value:: 16
Current: 16
Proposed: 18
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Eminent Domain.
Old value:: The government may seize private property for vital government works.
Current: The government may seize private property for any reason.
Proposed: The government may not seize private property.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to prayer in schools.
Old value:: Teacher-led prayers in schools are encouraged.
Current: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden.
Proposed: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden, except in religious schools.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The workers' right to strike.
Old value:: All workers, except certain categories of workers regarded as critical to society, have the right to strike.
Current: All workers have the right to strike but certain categories of workers regarded as critical to society have to ensure a minimal service.
Proposed: All workers have the right to strike.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:15:39, January 09, 2006 CET | From |  SeeYainHell Party | To | Debating the Common Sense Bill of 2168 |
| Message | Proposed: Child labour is forbidden. It lowers wages for everyone else and leads to an uneducated public, easy enough to decide on. Proposed: 18 (age of schooling) Education is critical, and if 18 is considered adult, shouldn't children be in schools? If not then an adult officially should be 16 Proposed: The government may not seize private property. The Right to Property which the Government must defend, not cast aside when it's convieniant Proposed: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden, except in religious schools. There is no state religion, why should religion still be enforced into the minds of children? Proposed: All workers have the right to strike. No matter who they are. Equality of Social and Civic Standing. |
| Date | 04:02:41, January 09, 2006 CET | From | Pontesi Imperial Alliance | To | Debating the Common Sense Bill of 2168 |
| Message | We cannot support this bill in its current form. Eminent Domain simply cannot be got rid of. There will be times when the needs of our Glorious Republic will outweigh the interests of the private property owner. We cannot allow one greedy landowner to stand in the way of, for example, a highway that would bring our Glorious Republic an economic boon. We would, however, support a law mandating a fair compensation for property owners. We also cannot support the language concerning an absolute right to strike. What if the workers in our electrical plants decided to strike? Can we really risk plunging our Glorious Republic into darkness, potentially killing hundreds or thousands of citizens? |
| Date | 04:03:46, January 09, 2006 CET | From | Pontesi Imperial Alliance | To | Debating the Common Sense Bill of 2168 |
| Message | We would also support child labour laws which provide for additional regulations for children workers. After all, some of our families might depend on the labour of its children for sustinence. |
| Date | 04:57:10, January 09, 2006 CET | From | SeeYainHell Party | To | Debating the Common Sense Bill of 2168 |
| Message | Imperial Alliance, did you know I did a poll and the second choice of all my voters was you? Up until the poll we actually agreed at 100% (8 out of 8 bills)? I know important strikers are a concern but then why let them decide if the consequences outweigh the benefits? They are individuals, not tool of the state. You just can't foce people under any circumstance. They can be held accountable in other ways but they can't be forced to carry out acts which are adversive to them. Even doctors. I'm sure they will be responsible enough most of the time, and if not they have to live with the consequences and malpractice bids. That's the lawful route. With Eminent Domain, why not just buy the property? If they won't give it for any price, then whatever, change of plans. That's the fact of property in a free society. Property transcends the nation and is a inherent right. I appreciate your capacity for constructive reasoning Imperial, so lets send your first vote out as "Yes" |
| Date | 04:57:51, January 09, 2006 CET | From | SeeYainHell Party | To | Debating the Common Sense Bill of 2168 |
| Message | why not* |
| Date | 05:04:46, January 09, 2006 CET | From | SeeYainHell Party | To | Debating the Common Sense Bill of 2168 |
| Message | Lets see if: Yes = 194 Trib= 42 1NCON (odds for yes 1.3:1) = 46 FHP (odds for yes .6:1 but he should cuz he wants individual rights) = 67 ImpAll (odds for yes 1:1 ;) = 21 Kurui (odds for yes 1.4:1) = 18 No= 105 Phalanx (odds for yes .00:1) = 54 THEM (odds for yes you must be : Joking) =51 So the odds I'll pass are approx 1.2:1 I like these odds! |
| Date | 12:20:20, January 09, 2006 CET | From | Pnték Prsakij Prta (Phalangists) | To | Debating the Common Sense Bill of 2168 |
| Message | 1: Why shouldn't a child be able to do a paper round? 2: We would prefer adults to be from 16 onwards, bestowing rights associated with adulthood upon 16 to 18 year olds. 3: There will be circumstanes when it is necessary 4: Makes sense 5: It is abhorrant to suggest that all police/medical/fire staff could go onstrike, leaving this nation at the hands of whatever unpleasantries may strike us. |
| Date | 19:30:21, January 09, 2006 CET | From | Friedrich Hayek Party | To | Debating the Common Sense Bill of 2168 |
| Message | We do not support articles 2 or 4. 5 as well. |
| Date | 22:51:59, January 09, 2006 CET | From | Pnték Prsakij Prta (Phalangists) | To | Debating the Common Sense Bill of 2168 |
| Message | Yo dang got yo bets wrong, yo mo'er fucker |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 42 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 218 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 39 |
| Random fact: Particracy does not allow role-play that seems to belong to the world of fantasy, science fiction and futuristic speculation. |
| Random quote: "Oh, judge, your damn laws: the good people don't need them and the bad people don't follow them so what good are they?" - Ammon Hennacy |