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Bill: Ratification of the Selucian-Hobrazian Agreement on the Transfer of Hobaists.
Details
Submitted by[?]: Factio Republicana Socialistica
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes for the ratification of a treaty. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor[?]. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 3848
Description[?]:
| This bill asks for the ratification of the Selucian-Hobrazian Agreement on the Transfer of Hobaists.. If this treaty is ratified, it becomes binding and will define national law. |
Proposals
Article 1
Ratify the Selucian-Hobrazian Agreement on the Transfer of Hobaists..
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 12:40:55, May 18, 2015 CET | From | Acies Nationalis | To | Debating the Ratification of the Selucian-Hobrazian Agreement on the Transfer of Hobaists. |
| Message | Senators, The National Front says NO to more foreigners and NO to the fact that as soon as these unemployed foreigners enter our nation WE will have to pay for them! Agrippa Marcius Dives Factionis Dux of the Acies Nationalis |
| Date | 13:00:14, May 18, 2015 CET | From | Factio Republicana Socialistica | To | Debating the Ratification of the Selucian-Hobrazian Agreement on the Transfer of Hobaists. |
| Message | Senators, The Hobrazian government has guaranteed they shall pay for the Hobaists that enter Selucia for five years after their arrival. Within that time, surely they will no longer be unemployed, and until then they will not leech off our welfare system. Balbina Iuliana, Ministra of Foreign Affairs |
| Date | 13:05:36, May 18, 2015 CET | From | Mulierum Coalitio | To | Debating the Ratification of the Selucian-Hobrazian Agreement on the Transfer of Hobaists. |
| Message | Senators, Given that the Hobratsuri Monark'istuli Partia government in Hobrazia has fallen and no longer even has any presence in its national legislature, this Treaty is for the time being effectively defunct, as there is no Hobrazian government to negotiate with. But let me turn to the issues theoretically involved here. We have always agreed that those facing religious persecution abroad should be welcomed here in Selucia. In the case of pagans like the Hobaists, this right is guaranteed for them already under the Pagan Immigration Act, so this Treaty would not be essential for Hobaists to come here. A broader and more serious problem we have with this Treaty, though, is that ratifying it could give the appearance of giving Hobrazia the green light to mistreat its Hobaists. The Hobrazians might get the idea that instead of being expected to tackle discrimination against Hobaists, we expect to take care of their problems for them by accepting all of the Hobaists as immigrants. In moral terms, it is very dubious for our government to get into arrangements like this that involve mass transfers of populations from one country to the other. It has the feel of treating human beings like cattle to be traded rather than as citizens with rights. Tiberia Nemetoria Hybrida Leader of the MC |
| Date | 13:08:38, May 18, 2015 CET | From | Factio Republicana Socialistica | To | Debating the Ratification of the Selucian-Hobrazian Agreement on the Transfer of Hobaists. |
| Message | OOC: Oh wow, I didn't expect the Hobrazian guy to just leave so soon. |
| Date | 13:14:17, May 18, 2015 CET | From | Mulierum Coalitio | To | Debating the Ratification of the Selucian-Hobrazian Agreement on the Transfer of Hobaists. |
| Message | OOC: I don't mind ignoring the technicality of there not being a Hobrazian government in place, if the other players are happy with that as well. ICly the MC will still oppose the Treaty though. |
| Date | 14:01:34, May 18, 2015 CET | From | Factio Republicana Socialistica | To | Debating the Ratification of the Selucian-Hobrazian Agreement on the Transfer of Hobaists. |
| Message | OOC: Yeah, I just asked the Hobrazian guy if he could give some incentives for a couple of Hobaists to move to Selucia, and he went full-blown mass migration. Nice of him, I guess, but a bit excessive :) |
| Date | 17:59:36, May 19, 2015 CET | From | Hobratsuri Monark'istuli Partia | To | Debating the Ratification of the Selucian-Hobrazian Agreement on the Transfer of Hobaists. |
| Message | SURPRISE! |
| Date | 18:06:49, May 19, 2015 CET | From | Mulierum Coalitio | To | Debating the Ratification of the Selucian-Hobrazian Agreement on the Transfer of Hobaists. |
| Message | OOC: Ah, our Hobrazian friend is back! :) |
| Date | 18:14:37, May 19, 2015 CET | From | Hobratsuri Monark'istuli Partia | To | Debating the Ratification of the Selucian-Hobrazian Agreement on the Transfer of Hobaists. |
| Message | Yes I really shouldn't have pushed Hobaists out of the country (OOC : shouldn't have been clicking this button neither, ..., by the way you can (strangely) propose bills as a defunct/inactive party. I didn't use it but I think moderators/administrators should seriously think about it, this could be abused) |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 107 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 216 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 78 |
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