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Bill: IMPORTANT - Saridan President Discussion
Details
Submitted by[?]: Saridan Tomorrow Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 3937
Description[?]:
| Mr Spreker, Let's have a discussion to the following points. 1) Should our President be head of state and government? 2) If not, what should be their boundaries regarding executive power. I suggest every party in this chamber participates in this RESPECTFUL discussion and state if you are for or against question one. Plus a justification! Abraham Vienna President of Saridan |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:08:43, June 19, 2015 CET | From |  Saridan Tomorrow Party | To | Debating the IMPORTANT - Saridan President Discussion |
| Message | Mr Spreker, Personally, I am in favor of the change. This will allow the President to hold unquestionable executive power and allow the head to be more productive. A President that is just Head of State has limited responsibilities for what they are payed. They can propose treaties and may hold executive power but it is questionable and very unproductive. Our people need one leader. Not a Prime Minister and a President, just a President. We don't need our clogs to be jammed. We need to keep on moving without contradicting one another to one direction that will lead Saridan into the direction of the most popular party/ies. What do the other parties think? Abraham Vienna President of Saridan |
| Date | 13:17:40, June 19, 2015 CET | From | Saridani Liberal Front | To | Debating the IMPORTANT - Saridan President Discussion |
| Message | Mr Spreker, Firstly, we believe that the President should be just the head of state. The President usually represents roughly 50% of Saridani citizens, about 5-10% of whom voted for him in order to no let the second candidate win. Meanwhile in Parliamentary elections our citizens vote only for their first choice party making the outcome truly representative. Moreover the President represents only one party whilst all parties should have a say in the legislature. Our party would like to limit the power of President to 2 executive orders/year which can be overrid by 1/2 of the parliament and letting the President visit other nations. Party Committee Saridani Liberal Front |
| Date | 13:50:15, June 19, 2015 CET | From | Saridan Tomorrow Party | To | Debating the IMPORTANT - Saridan President Discussion |
| Message | Mr Spreker, In response to the SLF, I say that it may seem as though the president is voted in by roughly 50% of the population it has only been the case for the last few elections. The next election could produce a whole different result. They just need at least fifty percent whereas the largest party in our legislature could potentially have 38% as so it does currently. If the STP were in government with Van Houten as PM, he is allowed more executive power than the president who has at least 50% of the vote. Does that make sense? We also believe that the suggestion offered by the SLF hardly gives the President any power or duty in a sense too. Shouldn't we have one leader instead of a PM and a President in which the PM is more powerful? Abraham Vienna President of Saridan |
| Date | 15:03:23, June 19, 2015 CET | From | The Izaäkian League | To | Debating the IMPORTANT - Saridan President Discussion |
| Message | Mr Spreker, I have a proposal that I think we should all really consider. It is complicated, but bear with me. I have developed this system from looking at the Lodamunese system. Well here goes. Head of State---- We will eliminate the position by turning it into a hereditary and symbolic position, but no one will fill it. We will title the position "President" but will never place anyone in the position. Head of Government---- We will title the Head of Government the "President" and this will become our acting head of state and head of government. This will give all the power to one position to avoid power struggles and confusion. However, it will allow this position to be elected by Parliament, which we feel gives all parties a say. Vice Presidency---- All other parties that voted yes to the coalition government that is in power at the time. The President will choose which party, if there is multiple in the coalition, that will be the "First Vice President". The First Vice President will perform the duties of the President if he is unable. Vice Presidents will have power similar to the present Saridani President. They can speak on behalf of the nation. Powers of the President (Head of Government)---- Executive Order---- Only resolutions no legal variable can be changed. Requires (2/3rds of the Legislature to override it). However if it fails to achieve half the votes, it must be reposted as permanently in debate so people know that it applies. Foreign Negotiations---- May negotiate on behalf of Saridan. May not introduce treaties. This system is very similar to the Lodamunese system that has been in place forever and has also worked fluidly. I strongly advocate for the adoption of this system. George Van Tassel Prime Minister |
| Date | 17:52:49, June 19, 2015 CET | From |  Moderation | To | Debating the IMPORTANT - Saridan President Discussion |
| Message | The Lodamun system described above is practised in Lodamun, and in terms of the game rules it is perfectly legal - so no problem there. I must confess though that I'm a little confused about precisely what Saridan's system of "Executive Orders" means. So far as I can see (correct me if I'm wrong) no Bill has been passed (by the appropriate 2/3rds majority for constitutional amendments) explaining and implementing an Executive Orders system. So on those grounds alone, they seem to be on shaky grounds in terms of the game rules. |
| Date | 18:14:43, June 19, 2015 CET | From |  Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the IMPORTANT - Saridan President Discussion |
| Message | OOC: May a Vice President in Lodamun address the Parlement? |
| Date | 18:49:14, June 19, 2015 CET | From | The Izaäkian League | To | Debating the IMPORTANT - Saridan President Discussion |
| Message | OOC: Yes, I think your input would be helpful. |
| Date | 01:39:18, June 20, 2015 CET | From | Saridan Tomorrow Party | To | Debating the IMPORTANT - Saridan President Discussion |
| Message | Mr Spreker, We support the Populist Party's proposal however we advocate for further changes. 1) hos should be a monarchy. They will have no executive power but will represent our nation's interests. Saridan has a monarchy and started with a kingdom so it is only fair that we Revitalize our culture in this manner. 2) Head of government should be able to introduce a treaty. The Minister of Foreign Affairs should not be the only person to deal with Treaties. Hog has this responsibility too. 3) the vice president should be selected by the President. Please remember that candidates run as a presidential and vice presidential campaign. The back up/vp should be very trustworthy. However, if a coalition occurs, a deal may involve the vice president being given to the next party. Majority governments are still possible. Abraham Vienna President of Saridan Occ: @moderation, we will create a bill to reflect these changes. |
| Date | 02:25:22, June 20, 2015 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the IMPORTANT - Saridan President Discussion |
| Message | OOC: On point #1... Returning to monarchy would be a much less complex option than adopting Lodamun's system, I guess. On point #2... You guys can't determine that. The HoG will not be able to introduce treaties. It's not something you guys can change. On point #3... So you're keeping the title "President" while having a monarchy above it? Nice. Spain does that too. |
| Date | 02:53:39, June 20, 2015 CET | From | Saridan Tomorrow Party | To | Debating the IMPORTANT - Saridan President Discussion |
| Message | Occ: oh sorry that does make sense that they can't introduce treatises, so I'll retract the second point ;) |
| Date | 03:15:44, June 20, 2015 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the IMPORTANT - Saridan President Discussion |
| Message | OOC: The problem is not what you want; the problem is the game's inability to provide it. It would make sense if the HoG could introduce treaties, but the game just doesn't allow it. Some countries in the new Particracy will allow it. Keep thinking of different ways to set up your country; that's cool. |
| Date | 04:13:38, June 20, 2015 CET | From | Saridan Tomorrow Party | To | Debating the IMPORTANT - Saridan President Discussion |
| Message | Mr Spreker, I encourage senators to visit the debate on the Saridan Constitutional Reform of 3863 (Presidency and Monarchy establishment). Abraham Vienna President of Saridan OOC: Cheers! @GNRG |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats |
| yes | Total Seats: 0 |
| no | Total Seats: 0 |
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Particracy allows you to establish an unelected head of state like a monarch or a president-for-life, but doing this is a bit of a process. First elect a candidate with the name "." to the Head of State position. Then change your law on the "Structure of the executive branch" to "The head of state is hereditary and symbolic; the head of government chairs the cabinet" and change the "formal title of the head of state" to how you want the new head of state's title and name to appear (eg. King Percy XVI). |
| Random quote: "Whenever a separation is made between liberty and justice, neither, in my opinion, is safe." - Edmund Burke |