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Bill: >>> >>> Preparation for the cultural census of 3900; please read <<< <<<
Details
Submitted by[?]: Kirlawan People's Justice Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 3900
Description[?]:
| It looks like Moderation is going to get much more strict regarding this whole culture matter. :/ In particular, we need to pass a new cultural protocols bill. I would like to make sure that it's acceptable to most, or ideally to all, of our players, before any such reaches the voting stage, please. Our existing cultural protocols are at http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=377972 but Moderation says it needs more details. In particular, that we need percentages for each of the groups. Very conveniently, we already have those in the cultural censuses! :D They just haven't been _passed_ in the form of a cultural _protocols_ bill yet. Also, that our descriptions need a little tweaking. Some of Kirlawa's citizens are Welsh ... and what other Particracy country has many Welsh people, significantly even more than we do? Aloria. Conveniently, right next door to us! :D Also, Moderation has specified that Kundrati (another neighbour) is no longer equal to Basque. === === === === === === === === As for the actual content, there are two, maybe three, noteworthy (albeit rather minor) changes that I would like to make, please. With there being peace and prosperity in Dundorf (another neighbour) after the fall of a dictatorship there, I would like for it to be stated that more of our (relatively few remaining) Dundorfians have departed over the southwestern mountain border to partake in and enjoy it. In their place, I might like to add a few more Barmenians (from northern Majatra). Majatra is always a place of perpetual tumult and strife, far more so than any other continent. Barmenia is the birthplace of the religion of Felinism, which thrived there a few hundred years ago, but have sadly been _increasingly_ oppressed since then. :( More Barmenian Felinists could find an accepting home in Kirlawa, just like Istalians did many centuries ago when their Italian homeland (at the other end of Majatra, come to think of it) was conquered and subjugated by invasions by "Quanzari" raiders. We already have a few Barmenians; this would just be a slight increase. And/or, perhaps a few more Hutorians. Hutori had for the longest time been unaffected by the culture craze; but recently they've decided to be Canadian, and have registered as such. http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=444661 English-speaking Hutorians would fit right in with English-speaking Kirlawans. Furthermore, Hutori's geographically a lot closer to us than many other nations are. (And we've had a little bit of historical interaction with Hutori in particular, although that was admittedly many centuries ago.) Endralon (= Hungarian and/or Croatian) might get a percentage point too. A few of my characters have had Croatian names, so adding this to the list would make it easier for me ;) and besides, Endralon's just the other side of Kundrati from us. Actually, for each of these, the text description would be the primary thing affected, more so than the percentages. Speaking of Felinists, should they be re-positioned as a subgroup of Pagan, or be left independent? === === === === === === === === Other than the above, I would like to more explicitly tie Welsh and Alorian together, which is very much in line with what Moderation has stated concerning their plans for our western neighbour. And likewise to remove any references to Basque vis-a-vis Kundrati, for the same reason. === === === === === === === === Whatever Kirlawa's current laws might be regarding immigration and such, shouldn't really affect this. These changes would have taken place over (at least) the past hundred years, and the laws have fluctuated quite a bit over that time. So at least that's one potential complication which we don't have to deal with (I hope). === === === === === === === === If anyone would like to discuss this, could we _please_ do so _here_, before the bill is assembled? I'd rather not have dissension in the final bill, if such could be avoided by a more thorough discussion here, please. Of course, there might end up being some irreconcileable differences :( but some might be able to be worked out; let's please do so? Thank you! :) |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:19:17, August 26, 2015 CET | From | Liberal-Democratic Freedom Party | To | Debating the >>> >>> Preparation for the cultural census of 3900; please read <<< <<< |
| Message | All sounds good to me! |
| Date | 20:00:45, August 26, 2015 CET | From | Kirlawan People's Justice Party | To | Debating the >>> >>> Preparation for the cultural census of 3900; please read <<< <<< |
| Message | Thank you :) Some ideas so far -- numbers are closely based on the cultural census of 3800 -- === === === === === === === === Ethnicity: Kirlawa has received many immigrants from all over the world throughout the centuries; but by far the most prevalent ethnicity -- the first thing that comes to mind for many people in the world when they think of "a Kirlawan" ethnically -- is Anglo-Celtic: Celtic, English, or a mixture. This accounts for over two-thirds of Kirlawans. 40% Celtic (Irish, Draddwyr/Alorian( = Welsh), Scottish, Cornish, Breton; also includes mixed Anglo-Celtics who feel themselves closer to the latter) 30% Luthori / North Artanian ( = English; also includes mixed Anglo-Celtics who feel themselves closer to the former) 6% Nordic 4% Istalian ( = Italian) 4% Barmenian ( = Persian, Azeri, Turkish) 4% non-Celtic Dovani ( = east and perhaps central Asian, approximately and in general; but Dovani is a gigantic place, substantially larger than Artania, and has many migrants of its own ... for that matter, Kazulians (who are Nordic) are technically Dovani too! but are included above within "Nordic", not here. Furthermore, the ancestors of some of Kirlawa's Celts had lived in eastern Dovani, but of course are not included here.) >>> 2% Gao-Showan ( = Japanese and Ryukyuan) >>> 1% Dankuk ( = Korean) >>> 1% other non-Celtic Dovani 3% Kundrati (our eastern neighbour) 2% Hutori ( = Canadian) 1% Endralonian ( = Hungarian and/or Croatian) 1% Dundorfian ( = German) 5% other, and/or very mixed, ethnicity === === === === === === === === Language: English is the lingua franca (or rather the "lingua anglica", sorry!) ;) of Kirlawa. Irish Gaelic is the most prevalent of the minority languages. Three-quarters of Kirlawans speak English as their first language; and an overwhelming majority (98+%) can speak it to at least some degree, as either a first, second, or third language. Primary or First Language: 75% English (Luthorian) 10% Irish Gaelic 6% Draddwyr (Alorian; = Welsh) 3% Scottish Gaelic 2% Barmenian ( = Persian, Azeri, Turkish) 2% Istalian ( = Italian) 1% Nordic (e.g. Kazulian, Telamonese) 1% other languages === === === === === === === === Religion: Kirlawa's religious scene is primarily a roughly equal, and peaceful, three-way split between Hosian ( = Christian), Secular, and Pagan. 40% Hosian ( = Christian) >>> 13% Luthorian >>> 26% Bishopal >>> >>> 21% Selucian >>> >>> 3% Veritan / Almighty Path (an indigenous movement in Kirlawa from over a millennium ago) >>> >>> 2% other Bishopal >>> 1% other Hosian (non-Bishopal, non-Luthorian) 30% Secular / no religion 27% Pagan (nature worship, etc.) >>> 5% Felinism (Cult of the Sacred Feline) >>> 22% other Pagan 2% Deanism ( = Buddhism) 1% other religions === === === === === === === === Some players, long ago!, put in quite a bit of work regarding a "Veritan Catholic Church" indigenous and unique to Kirlawa, and it would be a shame to throw that away. :( The Bishopals started out as Catholics. But then, ever since the great religion renaming, we can't use the word Catholic anymore, so I had to find some permitted word. "Patriarchal" sounded (and still sounds) extremely Eastern-Orthodox to me; "Bishopal" seemed like a much better fit, what with bishops and all. Meanwhile, the main Protestant branch here, would have descended from Luthori (as many other things in our nation's society had done), so they became renamed Luthorian. Which ... unfortunately, yields (at least) two problems. First, "Luthorian" sure sounds almost identical to the real-world's "Lutheran". But actually they're descended from Particracy-England (the nation of Luthori), so in truth they'd be much more _Anglican_ than Lutheran, despite the sound of the name. And second ... looking on the wiki, what have other players written that "Bishopal" equates to? Episcopalian. ... which is extremely close to, and by some is viewed as the same thing as ... Anglican. :/ |
| Date | 01:14:37, August 27, 2015 CET | From | Conservative Party of Kirlawa | To | Debating the >>> >>> Preparation for the cultural census of 3900; please read <<< <<< |
| Message | All right by me. All the best! |
| Date | 01:42:24, August 27, 2015 CET | From | Conservative Party of Kirlawa | To | Debating the >>> >>> Preparation for the cultural census of 3900; please read <<< <<< |
| Message | By the way, perhaps you would want to put the previous cultural censuses into a Wiji article rather than as bills? It does clog up the Bills page. |
| Date | 20:38:43, August 27, 2015 CET | From | Alliance for Nature and Workers | To | Debating the >>> >>> Preparation for the cultural census of 3900; please read <<< <<< |
| Message | The Selucian church has been merged back into the Aurorian Church. "Bishopal" = Anglican "Luthorian" = Lutheran For "Patriarchal Churches", it is very interesting. Patriarchal Churches actually encompasses 3 religions : * Terran Patriarchalism (Eastern Orthodoxy) * Aurorian Patriarchalism (Catholicism), founded in 3861 by union of the Theognosian Church and the Selucian Patriarchal Church. * Apostolic Church of the East (Oriental Orthodoxy), including - among others - Hobrazian Orthodoxy (Armenian Apostolic Church). The term Selucian Patriarchalism is an outdated term since 3861 and should be replaced by Aurorian Patriarchalism. More info here, it's a collection of fairly interesting articles : http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Illustrated_Catalogue_of_Religion |
| Date | 04:00:09, August 28, 2015 CET | From | Kirlawan People's Justice Party | To | Debating the >>> >>> Preparation for the cultural census of 3900; please read <<< <<< |
| Message | Oops :/ I composed most of the following post yesterday, but didn't get around to finishing and posting it at that time. Looks like you found the same thing I did regarding the Catholic -> Aurorian situation. === === === === === === === === The previous censuses, I might send those to vote after we get all of this squared away, so that we can get their information safely archived (info on the wiki might get changed by anyone at any time; that's what makes it a wiki) without needing to have them on the front nation page. As for religion, I've been searching, and have found a few further interesting points. First, a poll: http://classic.particracy.net/viewnews.php?newsid=443884&nation=4 Myself, I generally take these polls with not just a grain of salt, but a whole heaping helping; but.... May 3773 Opinion Poll Government policy concerning religions 27.61% Any form of religion is banned. 30.04% There is no government policy concerning a state religion. (42.36% the other four responses combined) (-0.01% rounding error) But if this is anywhere near true, then out of our 30% secular, this poll claims 27.61% are actually deeply atheist (because it makes no sense whatsoever to allocate this group anywhere else) ... which means only a mere 2.39% are milder. :( So, I'd like to bump up the "secular" percentage, maybe to 33%, to allow this second category to make up a somewhat more significant fraction (5.39%) of the secular. (Raising it higher still, though, would mean it would start to get out of line with our previous censuses.) Second, trying to find an allowed name for our Catholic demographic... after browsing around the wiki for a while, I eventually happened upon references to an "Aurorian Patriarchal Church" http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Aurorian_Patriarchal_Church "The Aurorian Patriarchal Church, officially the Holy Apostolic Hosian Church of Terra and often referred to as Aurorian Church" Again, I still really object to the term "Patriarchal" because it very strongly suggests Eastern-Orthodox to me, and not Catholic. But, if the article itself says that the church is "often referred to as [the] Aurorian Church", ... then maybe we can use that particular name for it instead. :) And further perhaps add beside it "(Holy Apostolic Hosian Church of Terra)", another name given in the article. "• Selucian Rite, comprising Selucia, Egelion, Luthori, Mikuni-Harusutoria, Dankuk, Jelbania, Malivia, Beiteynu, Dorvik, Keymon, Kalistan, and other areas. Celibate priests and bishops. Its language is Selucian and it is the most common and default rite in the Church. It is also the rite of the Arch-Patriarch and the Empyrean Temple. (OOC: Based on the Latin Rite)" Kirlawa isn't listed here (nor anywhere else), but Dorvik is geographically adjacent to us, and we are culturally closely linked with Luthori. (Also closely with Aloria, but Aloria isn't listed either.) And this is the one that is obviously intended to equate to the Roman Catholicism familiar in the West. Even more so, insofaras all of the _other_ branches then listed, all seem to be centred in Seleya and/or the ever-turbulent Majatra; of the nations mentioned for those other branches, only Darnussia, Lourenne, and Sekowo are outside those two continents. (Perhaps the nation of Indrala too; it's an island in and of itself, and doesn't blatantly belong to any particular continent. ... speaking of which, yes, coincidentally, our own capital city is unrelatedly also named Indrala :) so, whenever I refer to the faraway island nation, I make sure to specify "the nation of Indrala". Just like how one of Hobrazia's provinces is named "Deltaria", regardless of having no obvious connection to the nation named Deltaria. This kind of thing frequently happens in the real world, too ;) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bihar_(Hungary) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bihar_(India) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nara_Prefecture http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nara,_Khyber_Pakhtunkhwa http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nara,_Mali ) So, should I go ahead and rename our intended-Catholic demographic, as "Aurorian"? Third, even if so, this still leaves us with what to do regarding "Bishopal". I don't know, but I'm thinking of getting rid of the term "Luthorian" from this sub-list entirely (in order to easily thus prevent any misidentification of it as real-world "Lutheran") ... ... and instead, renaming _them_ as "Bishopal" (= Episcopalian, = Anglican more or less). And then ... a couple of non-religion points which had occurred to me too. The Barmenian language is actually a conlang, Brmék. But, for purposes of a Kirlawan player, would specifying this constitute too much information / distraction? We're in Kirlawa, not Barmenia. Would implying "[just picture it as] Persian", as above, be an acceptable simplification -- in order to avoid opening up the whole matter of conlangs here, which isn't really majorly relevant to Kirlawa anyway -- or, would it be an excessive simplification? Also, the names of the Asian groups from Dovani. A past Kirlawan player had added these to the census, at which time I just copied them over to my running totals. But today, after browsing through the wiki for a while (trying to resolve the religion quandaries), it appears that a frequently-used name for Korean is "Kyo", and for Japanese is "Kunihito"; should we use these instead? Or perhaps in addition? === === === === === === === === So, the proposed religious revision: 37% Hosian ( = Christian) >>> 22% Aurorian Church (the Holy Apostolic Hosian Church of Terra; = Catholic Church) >>> >>> 21% Selucian Rite ( = Roman Catholic Church) >>> >>> 1% other Rites >>> 11% Bishopal ( = Anglican or Episcopalian) >>> 3% Veritan / Almighty Path (an indigenous religious movement in Kirlawa, originating over a millennium and a half ago) >>> 1% other Hosian 33% Secular / no religion 27% Pagan (nature worship, etc.) >>> 5% Felinism (Cult of the Sacred Feline; a religious movement that had originated in Barmenia) >>> 22% other Pagan 2% Deanism ( = Buddhism). Some also practise Kamism ( = Shinto) alongside. 1% other religions How does this look, please? :) |
| Date | 10:28:56, August 28, 2015 CET | From | Alliance for Nature and Workers | To | Debating the >>> >>> Preparation for the cultural census of 3900; please read <<< <<< |
| Message | For the religious one, it seems fine. For cultural issues, I would have some suggestions : For the East Asian equivalents in PC, it seems to be : Gao-Showan = East Asian Kunikata & Sekowan = Japanese & Ryukyuan Kyo = Korean For Brmék, I think we should simply describe Brmék as a conlang and give a link to name lists, so new players could roleplay Brmék characters without being too confused. http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=429301 this would be fine. Actually, I don't like the "simplified as Persian" thing, since Persian is already represented by another game language, Aldegarian. |
| Date | 13:09:11, August 28, 2015 CET | From |  Moderation | To | Debating the >>> >>> Preparation for the cultural census of 3900; please read <<< <<< |
| Message | Hey guys, Firstly, many thanks for being so quick to get to work on developing new Cultural Protocols. I appreciate this is hard work, but In the long-term, I hope you will find having more specific & detailed Cultural Protocols will be more rewarding, both for yourselves and future players in Kirlawa. When designing Cultural Protocols, it is a good idea to pay particular attention to sections 6.1 to 6.1.5 of the Rules: 6.1 Cultural Protocols and updates to existing Cultural Protocols must be passed by a 2/3rds majority of players with seats and approved by Moderation in order to become official. In order to be approved, the changes must be judged realistic and where they are significant, adequate role-play justification must be be provided. 6.1.1 Whilst Cultural Protocols bills may contain information about a nation and suggestions about how to play in it, the parts of the Cultural Protocols which are officially binding are specifically: - cultural demographics (eg. Luthori/English) - linguistic demographics (eg. Luthori-speaking/English-speaking) - religious demographics (e.g. Hosian/Christian) 6.1.2 All future Cultural Protocols and updates to existing Cultural Protocols must contain a percentage breakdown of the cultural and religious demographics. These percentage breakdowns must add up to exactly 100, meaning that no overlaps are allowed. A maximum of 5 percentage points may be allocated to an unspecified "Other" category. The linguistic demographics, if not directly provided, will be assumed to be based on a reasonable interpretation of the cultural demographics. 6.1.3 Cultural Protocols bills must provide descriptions of the cultures, languages and religions which would be easy for a new player to understand (eg. "Dundorfian = German"). 6.1.4 Once approved, players should copy them into a bill in the debate section of their nation page, under the title of "OOC: Cultural Protocols". This bill should include links to the actual Cultural Protocols bill which was approved by Moderation, the Rules of the Game and the Cultural Protocols Index. Where appropriate, it should also provide guidance to players on where to find help with translations and character names. This might include, for example, links to Google Translate and Behind the Name's Random Name Generator. 6.1.5 The players in a nation have a collective responsibility to prevent confusion by ensuring unofficial or outdated bills labelled as "Cultural Protocols" are removed from their nation page. *** As has already been pointed out in this discussion, you need to avoid real-life terms and remember to use their Particracy equivalents instead. It is also sensible to bear in mind that the Selucian Patriarchal Church is now the Aurorian Patriarchal Church, as has already been pointed out. One thing I would recommend you focus on revising is the "Celtic" category. Obviously, "Celtic" won't be allowed because it is a real-life variable. You could come up with a different term. I would suggest creating separate categories for different Celtic groups. ie. Draddwyr/Welsh, Scottish-equivalent, Irish-equivalent etc.. Anyway, I hope you have fun designing your Cultural Protocols, and do let us know if we can be of any assistance! Aquinas (Moderation) |
| Date | 14:01:01, August 28, 2015 CET | From | Kirlawan People's Justice Party | To | Debating the >>> >>> Preparation for the cultural census of 3900; please read <<< <<< |
| Message | Thank you :) Are there existing terms for Celtic, for Irish, and/or for Scottish, like "Draddwyr" is for Welsh? If so, please tell me! :) (Nordic isn't a problem; we can just refer to them as Kazulians. With the major events regarding New Englia a while back, we've had significantly more historical contact with Kazulia than we have with Telamon, and I don't know of any other currently Nordic-aligned nation here other than those two.) Kalistan http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=444312 appears to have introduced the term "Enlii = Anglo-Celtic mix" and I would be happy to re-use this nice term :) For the remainder, if there aren't existing names, and thus it's up to us to make up new names for them ... for Irish, how about "Kilani", please? Many of the Particracy names strongly resemble and bring to mind some real-world name, just aren't quite _identical_ to it (for example, "Yeudi" for Jewish). And here, "Kilani" would accomplish the double purpose of both strongly suggesting a popular town in Ireland http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killarney while also, at the same time, nicely the first two syllables very closely fit those of ... _Kirlawa_. :D (Or, could be used for Celtic instead, if there should somehow already be an existing term for Irish but not one for Celtic as a whole yet.) Otherwise, suggestions please, for Celtic as a whole? And for Scottish too? === === === === === === === === As for the Dovani and the Barmenian matters.... how about if I replace "non-Celtic Dovani" with "Gao-Showa" -- which would also, in so doing, permit greatly simplifying that line -- and add "Kunikata & Sekowan" and "Kyo" in the corresponding areas as the subgroups? For Barmenian, makes sense ... I had forgotten all about Aldegar, sorry :oops: I'll link to the Brmék conlang page as mentioned. On that page, it looks like the Barmenian clans are segregated by religion. Should we mention that the overwhelming majority of Barmenians here would be from the Pagan/Felinist clans, with names accordingly? There having been no real reason for any of the others to have left, and especially to have come here. |
| Date | 14:22:29, August 28, 2015 CET | From | Alliance for Nature and Workers | To | Debating the >>> >>> Preparation for the cultural census of 3900; please read <<< <<< |
| Message | For Celtic, the Wiki gives "Celda", though I don't think it is official. The name could be re-used. There is no name for "Irish" and "Scottish", but I like the name Kilani. For Scottish, I would suggest "Celdorian", which sounds both like "Celda" and "Cadoria" (city in Dirguzia), but I'm not sure about it. Dovanis that are non-Celtic and non-Nordic are Gao-Showans so I think this simplification is correct. For the Brmék, I think it is more realistic to RP as Felinist clans, so it would also be good. |
| Date | 21:00:03, August 28, 2015 CET | From | Kirlawan People's Justice Party | To | Debating the >>> >>> Preparation for the cultural census of 3900; please read <<< <<< |
| Message | Looks good :) Thank you! (and very nice bringing in of one of Kirlawa's city names! :) ) === === === === === === === === So, here's my latest revision of the percentage tables, after adjusting it with respect to all of the above. I've made a few minor changes here and there, and jiggled the percentages a little bit, to try to fit them together better. Hope this is acceptable please. Ethnicity: 40% Celda ( = Celtic; also includes Enlii ( = mixed Anglo-Celtics) who consider themselves closer to the latter) >>> 28% Kilani ( = Irish) >>> 8% Draddwyr / Alorian ( = Welsh; Aloria is our western neighbour) >>> 4% Celdorian ( = Scottish) 30% Luthori / North Artanian ( = English; also includes Enlii ( = mixed Anglo-Celtics) who consider themselves closer to the former) 6% Kazulian ( = Nordic) 4% Istalian ( = Italian) 4% Barmenian ( = Persian, Azeri, Turkish) 4% Gao-Showa ( = East Asian) >>> 2% Kunihito ( = Japanese) >>> 1% Sekowan ( = Ryukyuan) >>> 1% Kyo ( = Korean) 3% Kundrati (our southeastern neighbour) 2% Hutori ( = Canadian) 1% Endralonian ( = Hungarian and/or Croatian) 1% Dundorfian ( = German; Dundorf is our southwestern neighbour) 5% other, and/or very mixed, ethnicity Primary or First Language: 75% Luthorian ( = English) 11% Kilani ( = Irish Gaelic) 5% Draddwyr / Alorian ( = Welsh) 2% Celdorian ( = Scottish Gaelic) 2% Istalian ( = Italian) 2% Barmenian (a conlang; details are available in Barmenia's page at http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=429301 ) 1% Kazulian ( = Nordic) 1% Kunikata ( = Japanese) 1% other languages Religion: 37% Hosian ( = Christian) >>> 22% Aurorian Church (the Holy Apostolic Hosian Church of Terra; = Catholic Church) >>> >>> 21% Selucian Rite ( = Roman Catholic Church) >>> >>> 1% other Rites >>> 10% Bishopal ( = Anglican or Episcopalian) >>> 3% Veritan / Almighty Path (an indigenous religious movement in Kirlawa, originating over a millennium and a half ago) >>> 1% Society of Brethren ( = Quaker; founded in our neighbour Aloria) >>> 1% other Hosian 33% Secular / no religion 25% Pagan (nature worship, etc.) >>> 5% Felinism (Cult of the Sacred Feline; a cat-centred religious movement that had originated in Barmenia) >>> 20% other Pagan 4% Deanism ( = Buddhism). Some also practise Kamism ( = Shinto) alongside. 1% other religions === === === === === === === === Quite a few other nations seem to be listing, for each category, the equivalents in a block first, and then their nation's percentages in a separate block; instead of listing the equivalents directly beside each percentage as I've done above. This feels rather more cumbersome to me, not less; but I'll try it so we can see them in both formats. If we were to do it that way: Ethnicity equivalencies: Enlii = mixed Anglo-Celtics Celda = Celtic >>> Kilani = Irish >>> Draddwyr (Alorian) = Welsh. Aloria is our western neighbour. >>> Celdorian = Scottish Luthori / North Artanian = English Kazulian = Nordic Istalian = Italian Barmenian = Persian, Azeri, Turkish Gao-Showa = East Asian >>> Kunihito = Japanese >>> Sekowan = Ryukyuan >>> Kyo = Korean Kundrati is our southeastern neighbour. Hutori = Canadian Endralonian = Hungarian and/or Croatian Dundorfian = German. Dundorf is our southwestern neighbour. Kirlawa's ethnicities: 40% Celda (also includes Enlii who consider themselves closer to Celda) >>> 28% Kilani >>> 8% Draddwyr / Alorian >>> 4% Celdorian 30% Luthori / North Artanian (also includes Enlii who consider themselves closer to Luthori) 6% Kazulian 4% Istalian 4% Barmenian 4% Gao-Showa >>> 2% Kunihito >>> 1% Sekowan >>> 1% Kyo 3% Kundrati 2% Hutori 1% Endralonian 1% Dundorfian 5% other, and/or very mixed, ethnicity Language equivalencies: Luthorian = English Kilani = Irish Gaelic Draddwyr / Alorian = Welsh Celdorian = Scottish Gaelic Istalian = Italian Barmenian is a conlang; details are available in Barmenia's page at http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=429301 Kazulian = Nordic Kunikata = Japanese Primary or First Language of Kirlawans: 75% Luthorian 11% Kilani 5% Draddwyr / Alorian 2% Celdorian 2% Istalian 2% Barmenian 1% Kazulian 1% Kunikata 1% other languages Religion equivalencies: Hosian = Christian >>> Aurorian Church (the Holy Apostolic Hosian Church of Terra) = Catholic Church >>> >>> Selucian Rite thereof = Roman Catholic Church >>> Bishopal = Anglican or Episcopalian >>> Society of Brethren = Quaker; founded in our neighbour Aloria >>> Veritan / Almighty Path is an indigenous religious movement in Kirlawa, originating over a millennium and a half ago. Deanism = Buddhism Kamism = Shinto Felinism, or the Cult of the Sacred Feline, is a cat-centred religious movement that had originated in Barmenia. Kirlawa's religions: 37% Hosian >>> 22% Aurorian Church (the Holy Apostolic Hosian Church of Terra) >>> >>> 21% Selucian Rite >>> >>> 1% other Rites >>> 10% Bishopal >>> 3% Veritan / Almighty Path >>> 1% Society of Brethren >>> 1% other Hosian 33% Secular / no religion 25% Pagan (nature worship, etc.) >>> 5% Felinism (Cult of the Sacred Feline) >>> 20% other Pagan 4% Deanism. Some also practise Kamism alongside. 1% other religions |
| Date | 21:15:59, August 28, 2015 CET | From | Alliance for Nature and Workers | To | Debating the >>> >>> Preparation for the cultural census of 3900; please read <<< <<< |
| Message | This looks great, except for one tiny thing. Buddhism is Daenism and not Deanism. |
| Date | 18:00:37, August 29, 2015 CET | From | Kirlawan People's Justice Party | To | Debating the >>> >>> Preparation for the cultural census of 3900; please read <<< <<< |
| Message | Eek -- looks like I've been spelling it wrong for years :oops: I'll fix it here, and also in our old cultural census bills before I send them to vote. If you wouldn't mind, could you please add Kunikata to your Minority Languages list in your bill at http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=446243 Looks like you've got all of the ones in my list here, except that one (probably that I added it after you made the bill). Thank you :) |
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