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Bill: Illegal Immigrant Searches Reversal, 3919
Details
Submitted by[?]: Folkepartiet (People's Party)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 3920
Description[?]:
| A BILL to repeal the policy of actively searching for illegal immigrants. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change
The government's stance on illegal aliens.
Old value:: The government actively searches houses for illegal aliens and expels them from the country.
Current: The government does not actively search for illegal aliens, but puts them in integration centers when discovered.
Proposed: The government does not actively search for illegal aliens, but expels them from the country when discovered.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 10:35:27, October 09, 2015 CET | From |  Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the Illegal Immigrant Searches Reversal, 3919 |
| Message | Herr President, The programme of the current coalition government is in the first place to reverse some of the most damaging policies pursued by the right-wing coalition last term. Let me first be clear: I, for my part, bear no ill will to those who have raised concerns as to some of the problems caused by the presence of some illegal aliens. And yes, I do believe in the rule of law: if you have no right to be here, then the law says you must leave the country. However, I think there are far better ways of tackling these concerns than the current policy of actively searching houses. It is wasteful - my colleagues and I have raised several times whether there isn't anything better to do for the police than searching for those whose only violation is being here illegally rather than those who have committed serious crimes. I do not believe illegal immigrants are criminals - many of them stay in our country out of desperation, accepting a marginal existence. Their lifes have been made inhumanely hard by the search orders, depriving them of many of the basic necessities of life. Necessities, I should add, that are human rights proudly upheld by our western civilization. Yes, they are here illegally, and they should leave - but that doesn't absolve us of the responsibility to treat them as fellow human beings rather than hunting them down. With the new instructions, the police can still react to tips; it can still expel illegal aliens found in the course of criminal investigations; and it will reduce the amount of illegal aliens who, driven to desperation by the witch hunt, turn to serious forms of crime, anything to earn some money under the radar. It will make our streets safer, our policy more humane and it will uphold the rule of law. Let us now vote to end this wasteful policy, and look to different, more humane ways of solving our problems. I commend the measure to the house. Nelline Opland (FP - Dreton) Minister of Justice and Second Deputy Statsminister |
| Date | 12:16:48, October 09, 2015 CET | From | Borgerlig-Demokratiske Union | To | Debating the Illegal Immigrant Searches Reversal, 3919 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, it is not wasteful to spend money on one of the pillars of statehood, namely control over a nation's borders. This is the problem with the left: they want to boost spending in every area where the state should not play any role, but are keen on scaling it back in fields where even the most minarchist sceptic of big government agrees that there should be effective law enforcement. I wonder how the hon. lady knows whether illegal immigrants are criminals or not? They have broken the law already when they entered the country, which is a strong hint that they might do so again. This policy change will enable people smugglers and unscrupulous landlords to hide illegal aliens effectivey because the police is barred from searching their residences. It is not humane to make the business of these people even easier to conduct. It is true, Mr Speaker, that the new government is committed to solving the problem of illegal immigration. But we all know how they intend to do it in the long term: by abolishing illegal immigration through opening the borders again so that everyone can come here legally regardless of skill, criminal record or background as it was when the left was last in government, complete with free-for-all handouts and citizenship claims. If Mrs. Opland wants to fight SP, then she should not ignore the people's concerns and discard the effective policies we implemented to address them as "inhumane". Her coalition partners are all ideologically committed to large-scale, unrestricted, subsidized mass immigration, and I wonder whether she will be able to contain their unappeasable hatred of even the slightest controls on immigration. I wish her all the best in this respect, but I have my doubts. Erwin Schausberger (FV-Flindar) Leader of the Opposition |
| Date | 12:27:21, October 09, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the Illegal Immigrant Searches Reversal, 3919 |
| Message | Herr President, I think the venerable Leader of the Opposition will find that upon closer examination of the proposal, its intent is not to ban searches but to stop the policy of "actively searching", that is, entering houses with only sketchy or no evidence on the off chance that there might be illegal immigrants there. No government could be opposed to tackling people smuggling or unscrupulous landlords who exploit these people, and no government in its right mind would ever ban the police from acting on intelligence that illegal aliens are hidden away somewhere by someone engaged in illegal exploitation of their position. That is not what this policy does and Herr Schausberger should stop suggesting that. Similarly, Herr Schausberger should stop suggesting that this is about border control. The current practice, I'll tell him, took away funds from border control to large-scale search actions within this nation, as it took away from crime. Our immigration policy remains the same; our refugee policy, luckily, has remained the same even under his government. We're moving to enforcement in immigration where it belongs - along our borders and where there is suspicion of wrongdoing, not all over the place. I wonder how the Leader of the Opposition can still hold fast to his claim that this policy was anything but wasteful and inhumane. Nelline Opland (FP - Dreton) Minister of Justice and Second Deputy Statsminister |
| Date | 12:28:13, October 09, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the Illegal Immigrant Searches Reversal, 3919 |
| Message | (OOC: Dammit, Nelline, why do you have to be so inoffensive? It'd be so much fun to add in a jibe that "Perhaps he [Schausberger] fell for the charms of one of the young ladies in this House") |
| Date | 12:43:49, October 09, 2015 CET | From | Borgerlig-Demokratiske Union | To | Debating the Illegal Immigrant Searches Reversal, 3919 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, I think our police officers were responsible enough to make use of the powers we gave them in a sensible and moderate manner. But the milieu in which illegal immigrants tend to reside is notoriously elusive for state authorities and will be much harder to clean up for law enforcement as a result of this reform. And while strengthening border control is laudable and necessary, it will not help in dealing with the countless illegals who are already here and have been so since the days of Labour's open-border policy. Erwin Schausberger (FV-Flindar) Leader of the Opposition OOC: That line would have made a great interjection |
| Date | 12:58:16, October 09, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the Illegal Immigrant Searches Reversal, 3919 |
| Message | OOC: If there was a totally free immigration policy in terms of variables, wouldn't those technically have been legal immigrants? |
| Date | 13:42:13, October 09, 2015 CET | From | Borgerlig-Demokratiske Union | To | Debating the Illegal Immigrant Searches Reversal, 3919 |
| Message | OOC: I've wondered about that too. But even if everyone is allowed to immigrate, you would still have a registration system or something, so these illegals might simply not have registered. |
| Date | 13:44:15, October 09, 2015 CET | From | Folkepartiet (People's Party) | To | Debating the Illegal Immigrant Searches Reversal, 3919 |
| Message | OOC: It can't be that many, even then. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 74 | ||||||
| no | Total Seats: 33 | ||||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 32 |
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