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Bill: OOC: Cultural Protocols - Discussion

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Submitted by[?]: Aurora Libertatis

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: November 3935

Description[?]:

OOC: The Cultural Protocols are in need of an update, to reflect things like the new name of the Aurorian Patriarchal Church and the fact that Queranzariah (Sunni Islam) is now named "Israism". The current protocols are to some extent a mishmash of work done by me, Polities, Zanz and probably a few more.

The fact that over a tenth of the Pontesian population is supposed to be Yeudi has never really been reflected in RP, and the reason why so many ended up here instead of in Beiteynu has never really been explained. For this reason, I propose reducing the number of Yeudi.

UPDATE: After discussions in the tread about the Abuék Pntékai("High Pntek")-culture, intended to represent Pontesi's long epoch of being non-Jelbicophonic we'll instead add a Seluco-Jelbic culture group for the Seluco-Pontesians and the Abuék Pntékai. I'll rewrite the description in a moment.

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BRIEF PRE-GAME HISTORY

Pontesi's longest known inhabitants are now known as the Nrktek, based on real life Armenians. The Nrktek, roughly translatable to "Highlanders" in Luthoran (English), who call themselves Arev Mardik (Luthoran: Sun People) in their own language, are believed to have moved to the northern mountains of Pontesi after a prehistoric and unexplained migration from present day Hobratsia and the surrounding area. Selucians arrived in Pontesi as early as the 4'th century and mostly settled along its eastern coast, especially in modern day Bazlieum. Meanwhile, the Yeudi have maintained a presence deep in Azorium since before the birth of modern Pontesi.

The Arev Mardik lived in Pontesi's mountains for many years and were relatively unimpacted by the Jelbo-Tukaric Migrations (http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/History_of_Majatra#Jelbo-Tukaric_Migrations) that saw Jelbic tribes settle in the lowlands of Pontesi. The Jelbics are based on an amalgam of nomadic Eurasian cultures such as the Tatars, Turkics, Mongols and Finno-Ugrics, and their modern descendents in Pontesi speak Pnték, a regional dialect of Jelbék, a conlang devised solely for the PT world. Barmenian, Vanukan, and Jelbanian Jelbics speak their own distinct versions of the language, the primary difference being the source of loan-words.

CULTURE

Pontesi has historically been a rather cosmopolitan society with a colonial history, and has long boasted significant minorities. Selucians and Yeudi have been present in the area since before the birth of the modern Pontesian state. The Pntek population, however, has remained firmly a plurality. Despite the nomadic origins of the Jelbic peoples and the Pntek, Pontesi has historically been ruled by a westernised nobility and their immediate subjects, with influences and intermarriages from nearby Selucia as well as Pontesi's historical ally, Luthori. The descendants of this rather cosmopolitan (but often fiercely patriotic) group are now known as the Abuék Pntékai (High Pontesians) or "Sugirkai" (Cedar people). These often have Romanized Jelbic names (like Genzius or Temircaius for Genzi or Temrkai).

Pntek and Arev Mardik cultures have syncretized significantly in many ways, leading to Pontesi's interesting (and sometimes difficult) fusion of lowland nomadism and highland steadfastness. Indeed, it was in the mountain retreats of the Arev Mardik that the Pntek tribes took refuge during the heights of Yeudi expansion around 1100 and the Ahmadi Caliphate around 1450, and it was from these retreats that the Pntek surged forth to reassert themselves, eventually ruling over an empire that extended far into Beiteynu until the end of the 20th century.

Interestingly, the Arev Mardik maintain that they were the first peoples to take up the banner of Hosianism, several hundred years before the Augustan Empire officially adopted it as the state religion in 509.

ETHNICITY

Jelbics = Central Asians / Eurasian Steppe Peoples
-- Pntek = Pnték-speaking Jelbics with hints of Armenian traditions
-- Brmek = Brmék-speaking Jelbics from Barmenia
-- Jelbek = Jelbék-speaking Jelbics from Jelbania
-- Wrnukek = Brmék-speaking Jelbics from Vanuku
Seluco-Jelbics = Romans with Jelbic influences and romanized Jelbics
-- Seluco-Pontesians = Romans with slight Pntek (Jelbic/Armenian) influences
-- Abuék Pntékai = Pntek (see above) with Roman influences and hints of Victorian British traditions
Arev Mardik (Nrktek) = Armenians
Yeudis= Jews
Majatrans = Arabs


~Percentages of the Population~
Jelbic - 54%
-- Pntek – 47%
-- Brmek - 5%
-- Wrnukek – 0.5%
-- Jelbek – 1.5%
Selucio-Jelbic - 26%
-- Seluco-Pontesians – 17%
-- Abuék Pntékai – 9%
Arev Mardik - 12%
Yeudi - 6%
Other (mainly Augustans, Gaduri and Majatrans) - 2%

SPOKEN LANGUAGES

~Official~
Pnték = Pntek variant of the Jelbék conlang, no IRL analogue. Check the Jelbék dictionary bill (http://www.idioc.co.uk/Jelbic.txt) for details.
Nrkték = Armenian with Pnték influence.
Selucian = Modern Latin with slight local variations.
Yeudi = Hebrew

RELIGION

Hosianism = Christianity
-- Hobrazian Orthodox Church = Armenian Orthodox
-- Aurorian Patriarchal Church = Roman Catholic
Yeudism = Judaism
Ahmadism = Islam
-- Abadism = Shia
-- Queranzariah = Sunni
Felinism = Cat-centred religion from Barmenia, no RL equivalent
Religio Selucia = Graeco-Roman Paganism
Jelbic Shamanism = Tengriism

~Percentages of the Population~
Hosianism: 75%
-- Hobrazian Orthodox Church: 50%
-- Aurorian Patriarchal Church: 22%
-- Other Hosian: 3%
Yeudism: 6%
Ahmadism: 2%
-- Abadism 1.5%
-- Israism 0.5%
Paganism: 14%
- Religio Seluciana 5%
- Felinism 5%
- Jelbic Shamanism 4%
Other: 3%

NAMING

Characters should have names corresponding to their ethnicity. For Pnték names, this guide can be useful: (http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=396321). Clan names should differ from the Jelbék clan names at that link. Arev Mardik names should be influenced by Armenian names and written in a style similar to Pnték names (hint: just drop some vowels). Hosian names should be most common, though traditional Jelbék names are also common.

Abuék Pntékai names may skip the traditional Jelbic custom of adding the father's name as a patronymic and may have names based on Jelbic ones but with Roman endings (such as -us instead of -i).

For Selucian (Roman) names, this guide may prove useful: http://www.unrv.com/forum/topic/9867-index-to-roman-surnames/

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date21:48:16, October 31, 2015 CET
FromAurora Libertatis
ToDebating the OOC: Cultural Protocols - Discussion
MessageQuestions:

What is the current status of the Hobrazian Orthodox Church in Pontesi? Zaanz added it as the faith of the native Pntekai (which makes sense culturally, but not exactly geographically, although it's not much of an issue for me personally). It replaced the Pontesian Bishopal Church, which to my knowledge had never really been RP:ed, at least not for many centuries.

During the Commonwealth era, Pontesi used to be inspired by Victorian Britain. Should this be reflected in it's protocols, and if then - how?

Date00:35:20, November 02, 2015 CET
From Pnték Znkak Prta 'Bastardry'
ToDebating the OOC: Cultural Protocols - Discussion
MessageOOC: No objections here.

The Pontesian Dynastic Commonwealth (PDC) era was an unusual fusion:
*Atabeg, Satrap, Cedar in "August Parliament of the Cedar Throne" and the Vizier part of "Grand Vizier-General" were Turkish/Ottoman in origin because one party was influenced by Lebanon (the Phalangists/Phalanx who later adopted a Pntek name, "Srtap" exists in the Jelbic dictionary as a Pnték word for Satrap to reflect this)
*August and Accipitrum were latinate because of Selucian influences (even then)
*Dynastic Commonwealth; Grand; General; Parliament and Throne were very much Victorian Britain influences due to the One Nation Conservative Party. There was also an official church of sorts but I'm not sure what it was.

If I had to define this fusion as a minority... I'd struggle. Perhaps "Old Cedars", as the organisation for the PDC was "The Guardians of the Cedars". Sounds like a British "Old Boys" group with the Lebanese Cedar influence. If they bubble along the 5% mark not exceeding 10% then they can act like an old nomadic dispossessed population.

As for Pnték religion... could go for Orthodoxy (although I think the forum might have RP-friendlier names for it) but originally we were "Progressive Darwinists", a name which would also fall foul had we not coined a Pnték term somewhere...

Date00:37:11, November 02, 2015 CET
From Pnték Znkak Prta 'Bastardry'
ToDebating the OOC: Cultural Protocols - Discussion
MessageOOC: Correction: Pnték for Satrap was Srtràp. Highly original, I know.

Date13:08:32, November 02, 2015 CET
FromAurora Libertatis
ToDebating the OOC: Cultural Protocols - Discussion
MessageOOC: I like to think that there exists such a thing as a "Pntek high culture" with Artanian (English) influences, reflecting Conlib's contributions, that is more than just "Northern Jelbékai". Although I'm not sure how to reflect that in the protocols. Probably I'd could come up with a line about the Pntekai having been influenced by Luthori, possibly as a result of their long standing partnership through International Monarchist League (if that's even accurate). Or something like that. "Belknap" is actually a Norman surname (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Belknap_%28surname%29), although I realize that was way before the protocols were introduced and all that.

The Lebanese influences are particularly interesting, considering our geographic position. I'm sure we'll be able to preserve that in some way.

It's actually called that: http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Hobrazian_Orthodox_Church I'm sure Zanz could be made to come up with a better name, if he was still active. :P I think he wanted to enhance the Armenian influences from the Arev Mardik, which I don't really mind, although the Bishopal Church was supposedly Anglican I think, even tough it was never RP:ed much at all.

Date18:00:23, November 02, 2015 CET
From Pnték Znkak Prta 'Bastardry'
ToDebating the OOC: Cultural Protocols - Discussion
MessageOOC: Makes sense that it would be Norman as a lot of British Royal traditions started with the Norman invasion and Billy the Bastard (William the Conqueror). There's certainly a case for such a high culture to exist. Pretty sure that ConLib and the Phalangists were both part of IML; claiming Luthori/Artanian influence on the fashions of a "High Caste" of Pontesian Dynasties would be both realistic and in keeping with history. The Lebanese flavour certainly influenced the hierarchy at the time and it helps to have an icon with all dynasties.

I can coin "Sugir" for Cedar and suggest "Sugirkai" (Cedar people) for this high caste.

Failing that, have "Abuék Pntékai" for High Pontics in Luthori (who might consider "Pnték" a vulgate term in light of their Artanian influences) then use "Sugirkai" as a derogatory term for the blue-bloods by the masses!

It seems we had Lebanese and Turkish/Ottoman influences in the original PDC era and then added an Armenian aspect... it all links up quite well (Perhaps the British influences are a bit of a stretch unless considered in the style of Imperial Mesopotamia, Cyprus or the British Mandate of Palestine).

For what it's worth Zanz is still about on the forum as "TheNewGuy"... he chipped in on the CultPro debates.

Date13:24:01, November 03, 2015 CET
FromAurora Libertatis
ToDebating the OOC: Cultural Protocols - Discussion
MessageOOC: I've invited others to take part in the discussion at the forum: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=6469

I like the Sugirkai/Abuék Pntékai idea. =) I want to explain the continuity, somehow.

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