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Bill: Progressive reforms (amended)
Details
Submitted by[?]: One Nation Socialist Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2176
Description[?]:
| A slight modern variation of the status quo. The Title gives the council a moreprestigous name without abandoning tradition. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The official title of the legislative assembly.
Old value:: Tribal Council
Current: Assembleia da República Popular (National Assembly)
Proposed: Grand Tribal Council
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:19:06, January 16, 2006 CET | From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | I feel that the proposal will help to bring the people together as one nation with no tribal divides. |
| Date | 16:45:21, January 16, 2006 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | HAHA! I did not know the ONCP had a sense of humor. We'll oppose. |
| Date | 16:54:40, January 16, 2006 CET | From | Redneck Party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | Opposed. |
| Date | 18:18:53, January 16, 2006 CET | From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | may I ask why The Rightist is so against the progress? The proposal gives our country a chance to turn over a new leaf and look towards a bright future with the current government. A brand new start for a country still trying to get over the non-progressive rule of the Rightist party and co. The proposal is merely modernising the country in title. |
| Date | 19:00:26, January 16, 2006 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | You want to undo centries of tradition is what you want to do. |
| Date | 01:24:59, January 17, 2006 CET | From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | Is the ONCP leader on drugs? |
| Date | 21:03:41, January 17, 2006 CET | From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | the current titles are more of a joke than the proposed modern ones. |
| Date | 21:47:40, January 17, 2006 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | Those current titles were compromises made over a century ago. Some even predate my party's founding. It is nice to know that the ONCP has no grasp of history. |
| Date | 21:59:26, January 17, 2006 CET | From | Redneck Party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | ONCP also has no grasp of tradition and respect either apparently. |
| Date | 22:20:48, January 17, 2006 CET | From | Social-Conservative party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | As the only social conservative party, we wish to make our view heard in this matter. We have a legacy, a great legacy, for centturies (OOC: I HOPE, have not seen any Turkali history section), the Great Chief and Tribal Chancellor has ruled this fair Monarchy, the people has grown to love their Great Chief, the legacy of the Great past lives on and brings us further into the great lighting beacon that is the future. We have a great legacy, a legacy we shall nourish, respect, and honour. On the side of the Christendom, our Religion is the beleif in our Countrys History, Present and Future. So for Historic reasons we see it as a sad thing that so much changes wished to be done to erradicate our History, our Legacy. So for this reason we will oppose. However, we can also see the reasoning in the proposed changes, a step to modernise, it has been centuries since tribes where something powerfull, and yet today they are looked down upon by the Western World, while Princes, Kings and so forth is so much more, this could serve as a elevation, for anyone whom has any knowledge of Monarchy knows that a Prince is higher in rank then a Grand Chieftain. And to call ourselves a Tribe is something that most of the educated western world, and rich world, assosiate with spear-throwing hordes charging against the Red-uniformed British Soldiers over 180 years ago. So Modernisation is not wrong, but we shall never ever forget our history, that defines who we are, what we stand for. And i hope, that despite our diffirences in many other things, such as view of how much power the Central Government shall have, that the Rightish party, Patriot Party, and all other parties can agree upon what i have stated. Signed Mikael von Ritterlöwe |
| Date | 01:14:13, January 18, 2006 CET | From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | We had a problem like that once and the government twapped the idiot that talked down about us. We appreciate what Mr. Ritterlowe stated however we will not support this measure. As one of the founding parties of this nation, we have been around for much of these approvals and we have supported them. As an historic party, I consider this an affront to all that this nation has gone through to see these types of changes implemented. It saddens my heart to hear talk of changing the names of our elected leaders. These leaders are at the very essence of who we are. If we change the names, that essence is lost and our kids will only remember it in history books but will not learn about its rich history. They will see that we changed the names our leaders because the world doesn't like what we call them. Ladies and gentlemen, the names of our leaders makes us unique among the nations of this planet. Why should we be like everyone else? We would lose our identity if we do so. We do not want to see that happen. We have made friends with the names we have now. No Self respecting Tukaralian should support this because it will not make us an unique nation anymore. These types of changes will make us just one nation among many instead of standing out due to our uniqueness. Also, our names give us an advantage over other nations. We are overlooked which means that we are left alone. This has been a big help to us and to keep us out of trouble among the nations. If we change our name, we become noticable and people will be watching every move we make. Right now, we have the ability to do what we want without being looked at under a microscope. Why should we change that? Some of you may say that I do not like change. That is not true. I do like change however, I do not want to see the rich tradtion of this nation be eroded by those parties that have no sense of what this nation has been through. I would like to ask the new parties to take alook at our history! Do you honestly want to change it to suit more modern needs? I do not know about you but that sounds like political correctness to me and that is another thing that we oppose. SCP, you have a fine arguement but it is one that we will not rally around. As a founding party, we will oppose this measure and we are asking the other parties to oppose it too. Thank you, council members for your time. Lauren Harrington Patriot Party Councilmember |
| Date | 03:01:24, January 18, 2006 CET | From | Redneck Party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | In response to the PP: *STANDING APPLAUSE* |
| Date | 03:01:58, January 18, 2006 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | *applauds the Patriot Party's Speech* |
| Date | 09:40:03, January 18, 2006 CET | From | Social-Conservative party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | Mikael von Ritterlöwe stood upp and applauded Lauren Harrington, von Ritterlöwe had made an attempt to defend the indefendible act made by the One Nation Conservative party, this was stretching modernisation to far,t he Social Conservative Party was a nationalist party, whom cherished History and the legacy, but von Ritterlöwe had made an attempt to reason the way the One Nation Conservative party probably would. But the bottom line was the same, the Social-Conservative party would not support this measure. And so Mikael von Ritterlöwe applauded the great speech, and thereafter had a private conversation with the Party leader of the One Nation conservative party. And Phoned Lauren Harrington for a private tete about certain issues of importance. |
| Date | 12:23:47, January 19, 2006 CET | From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | We understand the concerns of the countries history being eroded. But we want to help revive Tukarali and restore the peoples confidence in our society. We want our cuntry to be a modern one and we need that identity with it. Because of the reaction to the reforms we shall propose less radical ones so as to modernise wilst keeping the basic tradition of our society. I made these reforms after a meetingwith the leading world figure President Nigel Sherringham and I decided that modernising to a Dorvikian standard may be necessary. I wish for it to be understood that we do not wish to crush the great level of tradition the country has achieved of which there can be no doubt, but simply adjust that great proud tradition to modern times. David Clarke Head of Government |
| Date | 18:01:52, January 19, 2006 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | But so doing Chancellor Clarke, you are in fact changing the tradition that most of us, more so in the Patriot Party's case, has fought so hard to build. As a conservative, it is my duty to point this out to you and to do my duty to preserve such a rich and fine tradition. |
| Date | 19:02:28, January 19, 2006 CET | From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | I congradulate the Patriot part on his speech and admit it was highly moving. As a result we shall try to modernise according to these traditions. |
| Date | 19:02:54, January 19, 2006 CET | From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | I congradulate the Patriot part on her speech and admit it was highly moving. As a result we shall try to modernise according to these traditions. |
| Date | 16:10:59, January 20, 2006 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | mmmmmmm. We'll wait and see what the Patriot Party says. We believe we will support it but we would like the Patriot Party's input on this new proposal first. |
| Date | 21:34:47, January 20, 2006 CET | From | Social-Conservative party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | We support this minor step, in our own right. We are a party of our own and we support this plan. |
| Date | 02:13:59, January 21, 2006 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | I would like to know wha tthe SCP means by a party of our own! |
| Date | 11:41:54, January 21, 2006 CET | From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | The SCP mean you are tied to the Patriot Party and can't make independant decisions. On this occasion I am inclined to agree. We do recognise however that you wait for the partiot party's decision because they are a party with a highly strong and passionate view of tradition as shown in the speech made and may be offended if there ally went against there wishes on such an important issue. However surely if you agree with the proposal then there is no reason why you shouldn't make your own decisions. |
| Date | 16:12:48, January 21, 2006 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | Just because I choose to wait doesn't mean jack and you know it ONCP. I just decided to wait because they are the oldest party in this nation and should be the most respected. I see nothing wrong with that whatsoever. I value their opinions because of all that they have debated. |
| Date | 17:55:52, January 21, 2006 CET | From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | Lady Harrington looks over the new proposal before standing up to deliver another speech. She sits their silently for a moment thinking about how the ONCP quickly changed his tuned. When she felt ready, she stood up and was recognized to speak. Mr. Speaker, Tribal Councilmen. I stand up here today to discuss this current bill. I would like to thank the One Nation Conservative Party for redoing this proposal. It is better than it was. This new proposal is well thought out and more coherent than your previous proposal. Mr. Speaker, because this bill hits to the heart of our wonderful traditions, this bill actually fits into our traditions. That is why Mr. Speaker that I am hereby tossing my SUPPORT TO this bill and I urge all members of this Tribal Council to approve of it. This is what we were talking about in regards to tradition and we are proud that the One Nation Conservative Party took our feelings, and those of our people, into account with this redone bill. My fellow councilmen, you all know that One Nation and I do not get along hardly at all. It is something I am hoping that can be rectified in due course and we are hoping that we can work closely with One Nation on key issues. This is one of those issues and we are glad to support this. Ladies and Gentlemen, this is a step into reclaiming our traditions in this nation. We are hoping that we all can work together to better those traditions in these modern times. However, it needs to be done slowly and not all at once which is what we have been doing. It needs to be a progression. There are somethings that just shouldn't be touched and others that we should compromise on. that is what politics is! Politics is based all on compromise. Since the progressives started to force reforms through, and that is what they are doing, compromise has been severly lacking. It is high time that we get back to compromising and this bill is a very good start. Because this is such a good start, I will ask for ideas on how to make the economics bill that is still on the table better and will welcome all suggestions. Please ladies and gentlemen, do not let this slip through our fingers. Let us all work together to make this nation a better place. Thank you for your time. After she finished speaking, she sat down in the silence that followed her speech and thanked God for getting her through it. |
| Date | 00:53:46, January 22, 2006 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | *gives a standing ovation* Mr. Speaker, the rightist party will support this measure. |
| Date | 18:52:54, January 23, 2006 CET | From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | As confident as ever the head of Goverment, Chancellor Clarke stood up and gave a short speech. "I agree that conscensus politics is the way forward however the patriot party must agree that there are somethings we shall never agree on. Us at the ONCP especially felt strongly on the bills we "pushed through" and as we were in power moving the countries politics towards an adverserial manner seemed the only logical thing to do. We are glad the inter-party relations are improving and welcome the proposal of future compromise between the parties." "I thank my fellow members of what is soon to be the Grand tribal council for their time." |
| Date | 21:53:02, January 23, 2006 CET | From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | Lady Harrington stood up again to make another short speech. Tribal Chancellor, we do concur that there are things that we will not agree on but by working together, we feel that we can overcome that to reach a compromise. That is all we want to do. We want to compromise with all parties to make our nation better. I urge that you contact our office with your plans. Maybe we can help you make them better. Thank you. When she finished she sat down and actually smiled for the first time in awhile. |
| Date | 14:31:04, January 25, 2006 CET | From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | why does the redneck part oppose? |
| Date | 14:41:05, January 25, 2006 CET | From | Redneck Party | To | Debating the Progressive reforms (amended) |
| Message | We in the Redneck party are split on the topic of this bill. Unforunately is near even split and the inter-party was 50.6% percent against this bill. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 273 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 26 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Information about the population of each country can be found on the Population Information thread: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=8663 |
| Random quote: "I am a conservative to preserve all that is good in our constitution, a radical to remove all that is bad. I seek to preserve property and to respect order, and I equally decry the appeal to the passions of the many or the prejudices of the few." - Benjamin Disraeli |