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Bill: Privatise Health Care
Details
Submitted by[?]: Secular Capitalist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2173
Description[?]:
| There's is nothing "free" about the system that we have. Money is looted from the producer's to pay for the moocher's. Socialized medicine drive up costs, enslaves the medical workers, lowers the service the citizens receive, limits their choices, and is immoral. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Health care policy.
Old value:: There is a free public health care system and a small number of private clinics, which are heavily regulated to ensure they treat their patients well and provide good care.
Current: There is a free public health care system and a small number of private clinics, which are heavily regulated to ensure they treat their patients well and provide good care.
Proposed: Health care is entirely private.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 10:13:41, January 17, 2006 CET | From | LiberalDemocraticFreedomTaxAndSpendParty | To | Debating the Privatise Health Care |
| Message | Morality is relative, and is thus not a proper argument, in the support of this or any other cause. |
| Date | 11:18:02, January 17, 2006 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Privatise Health Care |
| Message | Morality is absolute, and denying medical care to others is wicked. What Would Jesus Do? He'd feed and heal the needy, thats what. |
| Date | 23:32:20, January 17, 2006 CET | From | Moderate Beluzians | To | Debating the Privatise Health Care |
| Message | Jesus would heal everyone. Just like our current system allows. |
| Date | 06:10:32, January 18, 2006 CET | From | Secular Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Privatise Health Care |
| Message | Morality is objective and absolut within a certain context. Politics rests on ethics(morality) for its justification, and therefore is required for every decision made in a man's life if his goal is to live and be happy. |
| Date | 06:33:26, January 18, 2006 CET | From | Moderate Beluzians | To | Debating the Privatise Health Care |
| Message | You keep touting morality as an excuse not to address what anyone else says. I sense a broken record. |
| Date | 07:44:45, January 19, 2006 CET | From | Secular Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Privatise Health Care |
| Message | No. I tout morality because "what everyone else says" is based on an evil "morality" that is destroying the world, eating away at it like a cancer-- altruism. Altruism is the most evil doctrine in the history of the world. Sacrificing oneself to other's for the sake of sacrifice. Sacrifice as virtue. Sacrifice to the "good of the people" with the people being "defined" as not you but everyone else. If it is moral to give your values to others but not to accept, then why is it moral for them to accept from you? Why should you holler "greed" at the man with a dollar more than you while proclaiming that it is rightfully your's because you "need" it; while you are the sacrificial animal to the man with a dollar less than you because of his need? I reject this evil inverted "morality" because all it can lead to is mass death. Check history. I am an egoist. My morality is rational selfishness with the redundant rational part thrown in because most people don't understand the real definition of selfishness. Selfishness properly defined is doing what is in one's rational self-interest. This means doing as one chooses to benefit oneself with no loss to anyone else-- no sacrifices. It means holding mans life qua Man as the standard of morality and ones own life as it's purpose. It means every man is an end in himself and NOT the means to the ends of others. Political ideas are based on a persons ethics. Objectivist ethics are verified via epistemology-- the science of validating knowledge. Epistemology rests on metaphysics. For an Objectivist metaphysics are simple. It is Existence exists and only existence exists. A is A. It's corrolary is that you know it, ie, you are concious-- of reality. A conciousness with nothing to be concious of is a contradiction in terms. This is one of the primary reasons a deity can NOT exist. Enough for now, just know that I don't share the same evil morality as "most people" and that I do not want their morality destroying MY life. |
| Date | 12:32:08, January 19, 2006 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Privatise Health Care |
| Message | You will be tossed into a firey pit if you don't change your tune. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 43 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 46 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 11 |
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