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Bill: Separation of Church and State
Details
Submitted by[?]: People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2174
Description[?]:
| Until were a theocracy Big Govt. should have nothing to do w religious matters. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy toward marriage.
Old value:: The government allows all consenting adults to obtain civil marriage contracts.
Current: The government allows all consenting adults to obtain civil marriage contracts.
Proposed: The government does not involve itself in marriage or civil unions.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 06:14:56, January 20, 2006 CET | From | Secular Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Separation of Church and State |
| Message | Marriage isn't a "religious matter". It is a contract between two consenting adults, and for it to have legitamacy it must have the force of government backing it up. Upholding contractual agreements is a valid function of a proper government. |
| Date | 07:41:05, January 20, 2006 CET | From | Moderate Beluzians | To | Debating the Separation of Church and State |
| Message | Who determines the legatimacy of people's relationships then? How will this affect health care, tax relief and so on? |
| Date | 11:58:04, January 20, 2006 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Separation of Church and State |
| Message | It will cut out the red tape and unneccesary govt. interferance. The govt.s job is not to enforce contracts, particularly not religious ones. I should think our Godless Randian friend here would agree... |
| Date | 02:52:38, January 21, 2006 CET | From | Moderate Beluzians | To | Debating the Separation of Church and State |
| Message | Actually, he stated in another bill's debate that the purpose of government is to ensure that contracts are followed. |
| Date | 13:03:38, January 21, 2006 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Separation of Church and State |
| Message | Thats nonsensical. What freedom is there in a contract? What if I selfishly deny the authority of either contracts or of govt? |
| Date | 02:37:56, January 22, 2006 CET | From | Secular Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Separation of Church and State |
| Message | Then you would be a anachistic an a nihilist. |
| Date | 02:39:59, January 22, 2006 CET | From | Secular Capitalist Party | To | Debating the Separation of Church and State |
| Message | And you still haven't answered what you think religion has to do with marriage? A person doesn't have to be religous or involve himself in religion in any way to get married. |
| Date | 02:45:20, January 22, 2006 CET | From | People's Populist Party - Zogist Mafia | To | Debating the Separation of Church and State |
| Message | Sure he does! Marraige is a religious custom! |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 13 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 87 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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