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Bill: OOC/RP: Ideas, Plans, and Other Matters
Details
Submitted by[?]: Imperial Conservative Union (IA)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 4123
Description[?]:
| Below are a few different RP ideas. I have others, but figured we would start with these. Imperial Court Politics: Now that we have the Privy Council up and running, and have had the High and Low nobility restored for sometime, we can begin to get into the "Court Politics" RPs that are a lot more realistic than constant civil wars and political swings form one direction to another. For examples of what I am thinking of with this, and you have either read or watched the show Game of Thrones, think of all the scheming and plotting that goes on within the court. While the Emperor and Imperial family are "safe," the influence over them is always "up for grabs." While you can be a communist party, you could also control "right-wing nobles" in this kind of RP, playing with multiple characters. While this a lot more of a "word" based RP, it can still be a lot of fun. It is also a lot more realistic than constant warfare/civil war. Empire Building: There are third world countries to pillage and other states to establish as "protectorates." We have discussed this a little before, but lets honestly debate it. Luthori has a reputation to uphold as a great empire...time to keep that up. Luthori Superiority Debate: Not necessarily based in ethnicity, but that Luthorians and certain other peoples are superior. We rule and win because we are the strongest. This is one of the causes for Luthorians to expand and conquer. Meanwhile, there is the more "liberal" movement of expansion for the sake of helping others. Luthori is not superior, but is lucky and should help others. This had kind of already been going on, but not in this context. I think we should get back to it. Banning of Commoners from Diet: Making it so that every member has to be a noble. This means at a minimum everyone would have to have a Knighthood. Luthori has historically been an aristocratic monarchy more than a constitutional monarchy. This would be moving us back towards that. Does not mean there cannot be socialist nobles (HSP already has some). Eventually, this could evolve into a "fight" between those who believe in reforming the system in favor of the commoners. Remember, however, that there are two forms of nobility. -The Landed are those who inherit actual domains by their blood (e.g. Durant). They tend to be more conservative and more traditional. While movement does occur (i.e. a Grand Duke can become a Prince), rarely are there new domains/deeds made. Thus they are limited in number, and makes them feel "superior" to the Merchant Nobles. While the Emperor can strip them of their title, it is much harder as the title is attached to the land. -Merchant Nobles: The majority of the nobility and by default have the highest rank, Prince. (Only exception is the heir, the Prince of Orange which is landed). This is a very meritocratic system, with the anyone being able to gain ranks and move up through the system. Title do pass to the successor of the family, but the Emperor can more easily strip them of their ranks if he deems a noble unworthy of the title. With no lands attached to the titles (there are a few exceptions, but again most of those belong to the Imperial Family) this is much easier. There has traditionally been a good conservative and liberal mix in their make up. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:01:43, April 10, 2016 CET | From | Freeborn Luthorians/Freeborn Coalition | To | Debating the OOC/RP: Ideas, Plans, and Other Matters |
| Message | ... This pretty much forces me to become a royalist (banning of commoners in the diet) there maybe a few Communist Nobles but they wouldn't be open about it, but any way, the court, I wouldn't have a direct say in it but rather I'd infulance normal nobles? |
| Date | 23:16:24, April 10, 2016 CET | From | National Party of Luthori | To | Debating the OOC/RP: Ideas, Plans, and Other Matters |
| Message | The Nationals will never become a party of nobles. The party is populist and has a strong sense of anti elitism. The nobles should be on their hands and knees for what we've given them. |
| Date | 00:30:50, April 11, 2016 CET | From | Conservative Right | To | Debating the OOC/RP: Ideas, Plans, and Other Matters |
| Message | Conservative Right is very pro the nobles but even so, doing this would be a step to far even for us. However military expansion... Well thats something we would like to see. |
| Date | 11:47:54, April 11, 2016 CET | From | United Centre | To | Debating the OOC/RP: Ideas, Plans, and Other Matters |
| Message | Our party would be strongly opposed to banning commoners. |
| Date | 15:23:32, April 11, 2016 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the OOC/RP: Ideas, Plans, and Other Matters |
| Message | To clarify, the Imperial Court Politics is not necessarily attached to your party. Think of it as almost another game. You might control Earl Simon and RP his attempt to gain influence at Court, and then you play a s Communist commoners in the Diet. Trying to come up with other RPs. |
| Date | 06:28:42, April 12, 2016 CET | From | Hosian Socialist Party | To | Debating the OOC/RP: Ideas, Plans, and Other Matters |
| Message | All for this except banning commoners. |
| Date | 11:30:17, April 12, 2016 CET | From | Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the OOC/RP: Ideas, Plans, and Other Matters |
| Message | I can help building Trade and Commerce in a NEW EMPIRE!! |
| Date | 18:44:49, April 12, 2016 CET | From | National Party of Luthori | To | Debating the OOC/RP: Ideas, Plans, and Other Matters |
| Message | The comman man defacto rules the Parliament and the noble the Privy. Commoners voting to ban themselves doesn't make sense which is why I reacted so strongly. |
| Date | 19:12:38, April 12, 2016 CET | From | Hosian Socialist Party | To | Debating the OOC/RP: Ideas, Plans, and Other Matters |
| Message | ^Yes, it would look silly. |
| Date | 22:01:42, April 12, 2016 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the OOC/RP: Ideas, Plans, and Other Matters |
| Message | Though not if nobles got a majority. Plus, you could then have the fight between "high" and "low" nobles. Not to mention some on the Privy Council are "commoners." Typically the IDM positions are, although they gain nobility ranks through there service. The only nobles that have title by birth are the Landed. While some of the Merchant titles pass on (lowest ones don't and Prince does not) after review by the Emperor/Imperial Court, they are still more "common" in their first generations. Take for example CR's current characters. Francis earned Viscount and his son has inherited it after review (which is automatic because no one has time to police every character one of us creates). While he is a noble in name, he is only second generation. Compare that to Durant, a landed and one of the 4 Grand Dukes, there is a completely different playing field. Durant can see the emperor and any member of the Imperial Family thanks to his rank (putting aside the PM position). If George was not on the Privy Council (say after next election he is not Imperial Chancellor), he would never be able to request an audience, as he is just a Viscount. There are nuances, as trivial as they may seem, they are crucial to understanding and RPing the complex web of Imperial Court Politics that really runs the Empire. Luthori may be governed more by the Diet now than in the past, but the Imperial Court and its intrigues is were the Imperial Government truly decides our fates. In an RP sense. |
| Date | 22:17:21, April 12, 2016 CET | From | Imperial Conservative Union (IA) | To | Debating the OOC/RP: Ideas, Plans, and Other Matters |
| Message | Anyway, I hear some support for some of these. LA, what is your suggestions for Commerce RPs? |
| Date | 01:17:21, May 27, 2016 CET | From | Imperial Progressive Party (IA) | To | Debating the OOC/RP: Ideas, Plans, and Other Matters |
| Message | I'd be in for RPing some political intrigue. Lady Georgina Fenwick, the head of my Party, is Daughter of the late Lord William Fenwick. I hadn't attached a title to him but I always envisioned him being a Count or something. With his daughter now in the political arena it would be fun to play behind the scenes her currying influence while trying to get her Party further into the Diet |
| Date | 21:54:13, June 03, 2016 CET | From | National Liberal Party | To | Debating the OOC/RP: Ideas, Plans, and Other Matters |
| Message | I've always liked the behind the scenes things, which I usually write up news articles, etc. |
| Date | 09:49:02, November 20, 2016 CET | From | Conservative Workers Party | To | Debating the OOC/RP: Ideas, Plans, and Other Matters |
| Message | I agree with all of this except for the clause that would only all allow nobles into the diet. And for that reason I am voting against |
| Date | 21:11:26, November 20, 2016 CET | From | National Party of Luthori | To | Debating the OOC/RP: Ideas, Plans, and Other Matters |
| Message | OOC: I believe this is an OOC bill so voting yes or no doesn't matter. It was a discussion that took place many months ago. |
| Date | 21:11:26, November 20, 2016 CET | From | National Party of Luthori | To | Debating the OOC/RP: Ideas, Plans, and Other Matters |
| Message | OOC: I believe this is an OOC bill so voting yes or no doesn't matter. It was a discussion that took place many months ago. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 223 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 30 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 412 |
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