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Bill: Nationalization of Power act
Details
Submitted by[?]: SLP-Libertarian Alliance
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 4014
Description[?]:
| Something as essential as power should not be in the hands of a few private individuals who only care about a profit margin and are willing to exploit to do that. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on energy generation.
Old value:: Private and public power stations exist side-by-side.
Current: Private and public power stations exist side-by-side.
Proposed: Small scale private electrical generation is permitted but most energy is generated by a government-owned company.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:23:10, April 14, 2016 CET | From | Party of Liberty | To | Debating the Nationalization of Power act |
| Message | After passing the previous bill, we cannot support this act. We are moving towards a more free market - a market in which the consumer has the power, not the government. A market which encourages competition and makes it so prices go down and quality goes up, instead of a high priced low quality industry. We cannot allow this backwardness. |
| Date | 21:54:11, April 14, 2016 CET | From | SLP-Libertarian Alliance | To | Debating the Nationalization of Power act |
| Message | The free market does belong in society, but not in power. Nationalized power will serve the people, not a board of directors. When we give power to a few wealthy individuals, we will see the market tend to a few companies that will reduce customer service to "save costs". I am fine with the private sector, just not in the energy industry where conpanies will carve up our country, giving people with little to no choice, therefore destroying your competition theory. Also, what happens when these companies fail. The taxpayers have to bail them out or the infrastructure for our power fails. These companies become too big to fail and the taxpayer suffers. We will not go down this future just so you can make a few wealthy people happy. |
| Date | 22:18:05, April 14, 2016 CET | From | National Front | To | Debating the Nationalization of Power act |
| Message | This idea that once the industry is put in private hands it becomes a weapon to destroy people and charge ridiculously high rates. This is not the case. Once this industry is privatized into different companies, competition is created between these new businesses. This drives down prices and drives up efficiency within the industry. This will also save the tax payer who will not have to worry about paying for the energy industry, this is another way of creating a society where the people get to keep more of what they earn in their own back pocket rather then it being taken away in taxes. Privatization will not only lower the prices of energy for all of society, increase efficiency within the industry but with competition it opens a new range of businesses that can expand and grow which will employ people. Not forgetting that all of these businesses will be paying taxes to the Government that can be used to reinvest in the economy through tax cuts and public works plans. |
| Date | 23:08:32, April 14, 2016 CET | From | SLP-Libertarian Alliance | To | Debating the Nationalization of Power act |
| Message | The only thing is, this ignores the realities of the generation of electricity. We will only carve up the nation between different energy companies. The company buys up the infrastructure and then suddenly controls the region. Do you think they will let competition onto their infrastructure. They won't because that is bad business. All you want to do is divide the country into different companies. A citizen cannot simply switch power company, they would have to change their region if they want to have a different company. The realities of infrastructure are too far away from your fantasy land of low rates competition where if a company is bad they can just switch. That is not how it works; and all you will be doing is serving a few of your rich friends. |
| Date | 23:57:56, April 14, 2016 CET | From | Party of Liberty | To | Debating the Nationalization of Power act |
| Message | Buy up infrastructure? May I remind you that the official government policy is 'The national grid is fully owned by the state.' and thus private companies cannot buy up infrastructure? They simply control energy production, in the plants themselves. A customer can switch energy provider, and this is where the competition comes from. Energy will be produced by the private sector and thus competition will be allowed to flourish which will gain high quality energy for cheap prices. They do not own the infrastructure. |
| Date | 23:58:24, April 14, 2016 CET | From | National Front | To | Debating the Nationalization of Power act |
| Message | This is not the case it is within Government control to ensure that the markets remain competitive. No company will be able to pay out all of the competitors this my friends is the fantasy, not the idea that people can have access to low cost high efficient power. No, instead the social-liberal party tries to control the lives of the people of this nation forcing them to pay unfair amounts for their electricity. A private system would allow businesses to grow and create competition while keep electricity economically viable for the businesses. Not to mention the millions spent on nationalizing this industry which would put at risk hundreds of jobs. The role of Government is not to run businesses but to regulate them, the social-liberal party needs to find this balance. Now is not the time to be shutting down businesses and slowing down the economy now is time to let business grow and let competition drive down prices, with Government regulations to ensure that businesses do not become too large. |
| Date | 23:58:49, April 14, 2016 CET | From | Party of Liberty | To | Debating the Nationalization of Power act |
| Message | And even so - with current laws private energy production runs SIDE-BY-SIDE with PUBLIC production, so if the public don't like the private production they simply switch to public. |
| Date | 00:28:25, April 15, 2016 CET | From | Party of Liberty | To | Debating the Nationalization of Power act |
| Message | And even so - with current laws private energy production runs SIDE-BY-SIDE with PUBLIC production, so if the public don't like the private production they simply switch to public. |
| Date | 00:28:28, April 15, 2016 CET | From | Party of Liberty | To | Debating the Nationalization of Power act |
| Message | And even so - with current laws private energy production runs SIDE-BY-SIDE with PUBLIC production, so if the public don't like the private production they simply switch to public. |
| Date | 02:18:34, April 15, 2016 CET | From | SLP-Libertarian Alliance | To | Debating the Nationalization of Power act |
| Message | I went out of my way to avoid a personal attack and you ignore it and go right for the neck. Well you millionaire slaves, when you attack our values by calling us fascists, that's when we get mad. We are doing what we feel is best for the people, but you just made it personal. I am fine to disagree but when you attack what we believe in, the right to freedom and equality, that is when you cross the line. How about you get back in bed with your billionaire friends or you may not be back here. Energy is for the people and deserves to be run for the people. When our nation is carved up by businessmen I hope you come right back here. Maybe then you'll learn to never make these debates personal. |
| Date | 15:38:35, April 15, 2016 CET | From | Unsubmissive Beluzian Workers Party | To | Debating the Nationalization of Power act |
| Message | OOC: We have did some research and we have decided to reverse our vote |
| Date | 21:03:28, April 15, 2016 CET | From | National Front | To | Debating the Nationalization of Power act |
| Message | The nationalization of the energy sector will make lives harder for people. How can anyone say the passing of this bill is "for he people", when in actual fact the nationalization will end competition and drive up prices for the people. This bill is not for the "right to freedom ", freedom would be giving people the right to chose what company they want to power their homes. This party stands by it's point that if this bill is passed and the energy industry is needlessly nationalized it will end competition within this nation in many industries. And rightly pointed out by The Party of Liberty the Government is in control of the national grid. This would stop any business being able to buy more "infrastructure" and "carving up the country" like are friends the Social-Liberal Party believes. This party believes that we can have the best of both worlds if we keep this bill from passing. 1) The Government remains in control of the national grid giving them the power to stop any company becoming to big or to strong. 2) The market remains free allowing competition to drive down prices for the public and other industries. This party hopes that other parties that are currently in favour of this bill read this and see the logic in having this mixed industry approach where the businesses has the ability to grow and invest in new jobs, while the government still moderates the size and power of these companies to ensure that it remains the fair and cheap for the PEOPLE. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 378 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 347 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 25 |
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