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Bill: Torture
Details
Submitted by[?]: Noordelijk Bevrijding Front
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2059
Description[?]:
| In grave emergancy's that are a thret to national security and the lives of many, torture should be an option if all other methods are exhausted |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The use of torture for obtaining information.
Old value:: Torture is never allowed.
Current: Suspects can only be tortured under grave emergencies where the information is vital.
Proposed: Suspects can only be tortured under grave emergencies where the information is vital.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:03:55, May 23, 2005 CET | From | Dorvik National Party | To | Debating the Torture |
| Message | We should be able to torture if it could mean we save the lives of many people. We will be voting for this. |
| Date | 01:27:42, May 24, 2005 CET | From | Maroon Party | To | Debating the Torture |
| Message | We will be voting against this, for the reasons of argument laid down in the original bill to abolish torture. In a matter as grave as torture, where the possibly innocent individual can be scarred for life (or even if he is guilty, the scars will remain long after he has served his sentence, an effect almost unique to torture), the ends cannot justify the means. |
| Date | 15:35:27, May 24, 2005 CET | From | United Territorial Party | To | Debating the Torture |
| Message | Let's hope common sense will prevail this time unlike on my previous bill for the same change which was better argued. |
| Date | 22:47:17, May 28, 2005 CET | From | Maroon Party | To | Debating the Torture |
| Message | Moreover, this new wording is far too vague. What is a "grave situation"? Is a terrorist attack a grave situation? Is the police needing to find a bank robber's accomplice faster a "grave situation"? What about an officer who wants to take his lunch break and would appreciate teh extra few minutes? |
| Date | 13:30:23, May 29, 2005 CET | From |  Dorvik Social Democrats | To | Debating the Torture |
| Message | OOC: Maroon Party: rewordings can be suggested on the forum :-) |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 34 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 26 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 35 |
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