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Bill: The Working Hours Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Kalistan Unionst Party (KUP)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 4061
Description[?]:
| The KPP are looking to devolve more powers to local government by having local government regulate the daily working hours. We feel that local government know best for the local people and would look to have this bill passed in order to promote better working in the five districts of Kalistan. Salamer Dason KPP spokesperson on Trade and Industry |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy towards daily working hours.
Old value:: Daily working hours are regulated by the government.
Current: The government obligates trade unions and employers to negotiate the daily number of working hours.
Proposed: Local governments regulates the daily working hours.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 14:22:38, July 16, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | We oppose as we can't guarantee that working people can be protected from exploitation by local governments. For example, the KLP currently control two of Kalistan's districts, therefore, we believe that there is a chance that they could remove safeguards which protect the right of workers to have breaks, holidays and so on. This isn't meant to be an attack on the KLP simply a point that we aren't comfortable that local governments share our progressive views on working hours. |
| Date | 14:27:21, July 16, 2016 CET | From | Kalistan Unionst Party (KUP) | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | Well we cannot speak on behalf of the KLP but the KPP will commit to the continuation of the protection of workers rights in the district we control. S.Dason KPP spokesperson on Trade and Industry |
| Date | 14:30:04, July 16, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | We understand that and we accept that the KPP have similar interests to ourselves on this issue. Surely though if the continuation of worker's rights is truly your goal then you would be happy to keep the current legislation in place? |
| Date | 14:34:20, July 16, 2016 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | We reiterate the Premier's comments without revision. |
| Date | 14:36:20, July 16, 2016 CET | From | Kalistan Unionst Party (KUP) | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | Our goal is to give more power to local governments regardless of who is in charge, the will of the people must be respected, we must respect that the citizens voted to have different parties in different districts, therefore we are seeking to have their views represented by giving the district governments more power, what the government in that district does is entirely up to them and if the citizens are not happy then they can vote them out at the next election. |
| Date | 14:41:56, July 16, 2016 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | Rights should not be up to the good will of ideologically motivated Parties. If the National Assembly votes to end workers rights, it is because the nation as a whole elected anti- workers' parties, but having a patchwork discourages free movement of labor, which is important to a functioning labor market. Impeding the functioning labor market reduces choice in job, and puts workers at the mercy of their employers, a situation the SP would prefer to avoid. |
| Date | 14:42:14, July 16, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | The National Assembly is voted for in the same way as the District Assembly is. If the people disagree with the position that we outlined above and which was reiterated by the SPoK, they will vote us out at the next election. At this time, though, we remain opposed. |
| Date | 18:08:52, July 16, 2016 CET | From | The Conservative Independence Party | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | We will not support this, there could be a problem if a regional government extends working hours or cuts the working hours both of these would have a negative economic impact. We support Ananton independence, that is one of the reasons this party was started. However we can't garuntee how certain parties would behave if they got this power. I can swear today though, if the CIP got this power we would not abuse it by extending or reducing the hours unless they were dramatically cut or raised. |
| Date | 20:00:18, July 16, 2016 CET | From | Kalistan Unionst Party (KUP) | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | "We support Ananton independence, that is one of the reasons this party was started." Does the CIP not believe that in order to have indpendence, local governments need to have additional devolved powers. If the CIP was truely in favour of independence for the Ananton citizens they would support this bill which ultimately gives more power to the Ananton's. Is the CIP against this bill because they are in control of no districts or because they dont truely believe that the Ananton's can go it alone. W.Killams Leader of KPP |
| Date | 00:44:42, July 17, 2016 CET | From | The Conservative Independence Party | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | After close examination and gathering constituents views, we will change our minds and support. However we don't support devolution of certain powers that would risk peace. May I once again take this opportunity to express my party's upmost desire for an independent Ananto. I would like to thank Shane Black who has organised a peaceful protest in Kaliburg which will be held in January 4061. I would like to invite anyone who wants to support independence to come along. Thank you. |
| Date | 01:10:29, July 17, 2016 CET | From | Kalistan Unionst Party (KUP) | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | We thank the CIP for their support, we respect that they want independence and we believe that this bill is a progressive step for their goal. S.Dason KPP Trade and Industry spokesperson |
| Date | 02:04:48, July 17, 2016 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | The Government of Ananto passed a resolution barring any consideration of independence. We think the CIP is barking up the wrong tree. |
| Date | 02:18:22, July 17, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | In the previous election a total of 76.14% of the Ananto electorate voted for parties which have explicitly stated they oppose separation (the SPoK and the LPoK). The people of Ananto clearly do not want independence. |
| Date | 11:19:03, July 17, 2016 CET | From | The Conservative Independence Party | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | It should not be up to the politicians to decide if Ananto becomes independent. The governing parties seem to be afraid of democracy, they argue so passionately for choice and Liberty and yet they still wish to restrict the Ananton people's voice. The move by the assembly was undemocratic and we believe that if the people want a referendum they should get one despite the many parties who think that this failing Union can still be salvaged. May I remind the Labour Party, many voted in favour of the parties policy's and promises. Many voted for the SPoK in Ananto because the policies were liked. I'm certain there is a considerable amount of Labour voters who support the idea of independence. |
| Date | 11:20:26, July 17, 2016 CET | From | The Conservative Independence Party | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | Anyway, if the Ananton people don't want independence now then it is a possibility for the future and should not be taken off the table because some politicians say so. |
| Date | 13:01:07, July 17, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | I can guarantee that no members of the Labour Party of KALISTAN support Ananton independence. [OOC: Seriously, don't dictate what my party members think] In the democratic system of government, the voters voted and they overwhelmingly voted for parties who believe in this United Republic- especially in Ananto. Ananto will never be independent under our watch. |
| Date | 16:50:00, July 17, 2016 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | Unfortunately for the Conservatives, 76 percent of the population voted for Parties explicitly opposed to Ananto independence. The people have overwhelmingly rejected the independence agenda in the last election. So it is not up to the politicians and certainly not up to the politicians in the Conservative Party. |
| Date | 19:12:34, July 17, 2016 CET | From | The Conservative Independence Party | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | We know the figures and we are not dictating what party members think just suggesting. People vote for parties because of policies on several issues and not just on independence. We support independence for Ananto but we didn't include it in our manifesto and no one else made a big issue of it in the campaigns so last election was not about independence but who people wanted to govern them. |
| Date | 19:18:39, July 17, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | Correct, and people chose parties who do not want Ananto to be independent to govern them. Until that is not the case, the matter is resolved. |
| Date | 19:35:03, July 17, 2016 CET | From | The Conservative Independence Party | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | Yes but that may be the view of the party and not necessarily the voters, all we are saying is that independence should never be taken off the table if the people want it wich at the moment only a minority do so we are not pushing for independence, mainly more power. |
| Date | 19:37:14, July 17, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | We find it hard to believe that voters would vote for parties whose views were different from their own, that would somewhat defeat the principle of voting altogether. |
| Date | 21:35:53, July 17, 2016 CET | From | The Conservative Independence Party | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | Someone may vote for the CIP because they agree with the party policies but not agree with one or two. I am sure someone will have voted labour last time because they agreed with some policies that they like the sound of, they may, however believe in independence for Ananto wich you don't support. Party members don't have to agree with everything the party says. Rita Lion, Former leader, Member of the assembly. |
| Date | 21:44:35, July 17, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | No member of the Labour Party supports independence for Ananto. I find it obnoxious, disparaging and underhand that the CIP purports to know more about not just Kalistani people but actual members of the Labour Party than we do. We ask that they withdraw these remarks immediately lest our permanent relationship is negatively impacted. |
| Date | 23:42:08, July 17, 2016 CET | From | The Conservative Independence Party | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | Before you jump to conclusions I just said that you don't have to be a member of the party to vote for the party. That would be undemocratic. We don't know the views of your supporters we are simply suggesting that not everyone who voted for SPoK/Labour whatever doesn't want independence. We are not trying to cause trouble, we're just making a point. So just to make it crystal clear, WE DON'T CLAIM TO KNOW YOUR MEMBERS VIEWS. We are confident that SOME VOTERS NOT MEMBERS wouldn't not support independence. We do however apologise if we have used the wrong words and made things sound like something it's not. This was never the intention. |
| Date | 01:01:55, July 18, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | Okay, we can see how this may have been simply a misunderstanding and we want to refocus on the matter at hand. Both the LP and the CIP oppose this bill and that's is what we should be working together on. |
| Date | 05:17:09, July 18, 2016 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | The Majority of VOTERS voted against independence, and the majority of the Assembly followed the majority of the voters. It is a dead issue. |
| Date | 12:01:00, July 18, 2016 CET | From | The Conservative Independence Party | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | 67% of people voted last election, no party was promising independence or a referendum. This is not a dead issue, it hasn't been settled because there hasn't been a referendum. SPoK just need to look at the figures, the people of the mainland voted aswell that wouldn't have been fair referendum because there are far more people on the mainland than islanders. Last election was simply about who wanted to govern them. |
| Date | 13:50:25, July 18, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | We shall put that excuse to bed by stating, now, that a vote for the Labour Party is a vote against Ananton independence. |
| Date | 20:33:13, July 18, 2016 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | The Ananto District Government, acting under the powers granted it by the District Government Act, settled the issue. The question is not now, nor has it ever been, nor will it ever be up to "The People" of Ananto, except as expressed through legitimate elections, and it certainly is not up to the propaganda apparatus of a minority Party to say what "The People" want. As of the Last election, the majority of Voters in Ananto voted for the SP, and a significant number voted for the Labour Party, and both of us are explicit as to our positions on the question. There is no doubt about where the People stand on the question. Going forward, the SP no longer intends to even entertain discussion on this dillatory proposal. |
| Date | 00:50:08, July 19, 2016 CET | From | The Conservative Independence Party | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | We don't claim to know what the people want. We are just saying that if the people want independence then they should vote on the matter and may I remind the SPoK that the Ananton assembly shouldn't have the power to decide on such a big issue. We wouldn't let the National Assembly decide the results of independence. |
| Date | 00:52:34, July 19, 2016 CET | From | The Conservative Independence Party | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | May I also remind the SPoK that so many voted for you because of numerous other policies. During the elections the issue of independence was never brought up so no one actually to this day has had a say on the question by itself. |
| Date | 00:53:09, July 19, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the The Working Hours Bill |
| Message | It was the CIP who pushed through the creation of the Ananton assembly in the first place! Have they simply changed their minds because the people of Ananto didn't elect them. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 173 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 394 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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