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Bill: National Agriculture Agency
Details
Submitted by[?]: Labour Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 4062
Description[?]:
| The Labour Party proposes to create a government agency, provisionally titled the National Agriculture Agency (NAA) which would oversee and facilitate all agricultural operations in Kalistan. We believe this will ensure high quality products, ethical labour practices and sustainable ecological procedures to the benefit of all Kalistani citizens. The role of the NAA will be to safely and fairly transition the agricultural sector from its current state to a nationalised industry. It will implement the dual economic system meaning stock will be publicly traded on world markets with the Kalistani government maintaining a 51% share of all stock released with the other 49% made available to the other investors. The Chief Executive Officer will be directly elected by the Employees of the Company, while the Chief Financial Officer will be appointed by the Stockholders. Goods produced through the NAA shall always be sold firstly to the Republican Food Bank, with excess stock being opened up to any buyer. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government agricultural and farming subsidies policy.
Old value:: The government subsidises the operations of low-income farming families.
Current: Strategic crops are produced on State owned farms. All other produce is left to the Private sector.
Proposed: All agricultural operations are state-owned and operated.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:17:48, July 17, 2016 CET | From | Libertarian Democrats of Kalistan | To | Debating the National Agriculture Agency |
| Message | The DFA believe this undermines the agriculture industry's ability to profit. There is enough state controlled industry in agriculture and Kalistan. We would be open to the idea of a standards agency to ensure quality products were made, but cannot support the state owning the agricultural industry. |
| Date | 20:51:53, July 17, 2016 CET | From | Kalistan National Democratic Party KNDP | To | Debating the National Agriculture Agency |
| Message | The KNDP agree with the DFA on the idea of a state owned standards agency to monitor the quality of products ,ethical labour practices and ecological procedures. However for the government to suggest that they should own and operate all agriculture operations is unacceptable in our eyes. We cannot see anyway that the government can legitimately take control of our nations farms and agriculture industry without coming across as a authoritarian regime who only care about there own idea's and power. This bill would be allowing for the government to steal farms from our own citizens, yes you may compensate them but if the person is not willing to sell you there farm or rather their home then what right to we have to take it from them ? Having being brought up in a farming community and previously working in a farm i believe that this bill will only have negative impacts for not only our agriculture industry but also our nation as a whole. Vincent Columbus Candidate for Food and Agriculture KNDP |
| Date | 20:56:05, July 17, 2016 CET | From | Kalistan National Democratic Party KNDP | To | Debating the National Agriculture Agency |
| Message | The KNDP agree with the DFA on the idea of a state owned standards agency to monitor the quality of products ,ethical labour practices and ecological procedures. However for the government to suggest that they should own and operate all agriculture operations is unacceptable in our eyes. We cannot see anyway that the government can legitimately take control of our nations farms and agriculture industry without coming across as a authoritarian regime who only care about there own idea's and power. This bill would be allowing for the government to steal farms from our own citizens, yes you may compensate them but if the person is not willing to sell you there farm or rather their home then what right to we have to take it from them ? Having being brought up in a farming community and previously working in a farm i believe that this bill will only have negative impacts for not only our agriculture industry but also our nation as a whole. Vincent Columbus Candidate for Food and Agriculture KNDP |
| Date | 21:15:15, July 17, 2016 CET | From | The Conservative Independence Party | To | Debating the National Agriculture Agency |
| Message | We completely agree that everyone should strive to make their produce the best however nationalisation is not the way to do this. Instead of spending more money and possibly declaring an end to Kalistani agriculture as a whole we would rather the proposed agency work by inspecting farms and factories to make sure the produce is the best it could be. So, we will not support but we would support an agency that inspects farms and factories regularly instead of nationalising it. |
| Date | 21:34:23, July 17, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the National Agriculture Agency |
| Message | It is not efficient for the government to continue to provide subsidies to private farmers. The best way to coordinate efficient and sustainable allocation of investment, land and resources in agriculture is for the government to systematise all production. This way any profit can be reinvested in the industry to its benefit and an effective, productive system is created. |
| Date | 21:58:29, July 17, 2016 CET | From | Kalistan National Democratic Party KNDP | To | Debating the National Agriculture Agency |
| Message | The KNDP would like to point out to the government that they only subsidies the lowest income private farms this is the minority in our nation, so why should the government Nationalize the agriculture industry just so that they no longer need to assist the most deprived farms in our nation and as a consequence they will rob the majority of the rural community of there, homes works and livelihoods. The excuse of reinvesting and making it a more effective system is a poor one as from the Labour Party's previous statement it is clear that they do not have the intentions of the citizens of Kalistan at heart but rather there own interests to which they aim to achieve, the land of our nation is not owned by the government but rather but rather the citizens of Kalistan and therefore it is not our's to take off them. |
| Date | 21:58:30, July 17, 2016 CET | From | Kalistan National Democratic Party KNDP | To | Debating the National Agriculture Agency |
| Message | The KNDP would like to point out to the government that they only subsidies the lowest income private farms this is the minority in our nation, so why should the government Nationalize the agriculture industry just so that they no longer need to assist the most deprived farms in our nation and as a consequence they will rob the majority of the rural community of there, homes works and livelihoods. The excuse of reinvesting and making it a more effective system is a poor one as from the Labour Party's previous statement it is clear that they do not have the intentions of the citizens of Kalistan at heart but rather there own interests to which they aim to achieve, the land of our nation is not owned by the government but rather but rather the citizens of Kalistan and therefore it is not our's to take off them. |
| Date | 22:04:04, July 17, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the National Agriculture Agency |
| Message | The point on providing subsidies is not the sole reason why we are proposing this legislation, simply an example of how nationalisation is beneficial. We won't be robbing the rural communities, we guarantee that anybody who currently work on a farm will maintain their job on that farm, they'll simply have their wage paid by the state and not private landowners. Reinvestment is not an excuse but a benefit. The Kalistani land will be returned to the hands of the citizens of Kalistan when nationalisation occurs and private farming is brought to an end. |
| Date | 22:08:50, July 17, 2016 CET | From | The Conservative Independence Party | To | Debating the National Agriculture Agency |
| Message | How can the government possibly forcibly unite every single farm In the country under one organisation, farmers won't be happy because they could be making more money via auctioning their goods, or negotiating really good deals with massive companies. But instead they're goods would be sold by the government who would then snatch up te profits and the money would then go to another unnecessary nationalised industry. It's sad that the government love to snatch away people's profits. Tell me why is the current system so bad? It's helping small farming buissness make a living. |
| Date | 22:12:17, July 17, 2016 CET | From | Kalistan Unionst Party (KUP) | To | Debating the National Agriculture Agency |
| Message | We support the Labour parties bill as this will benefit all farmers across Kalistan. |
| Date | 22:13:02, July 17, 2016 CET | From | The Conservative Independence Party | To | Debating the National Agriculture Agency |
| Message | I don't understand what is so bad a about private farms and land. People can walk through many beautiful peices of landscape, the private owners don't mind. Even if they did, try to understand their position. How would you like it if some person came stomping through your garden and through your house? It's really no different. It's a bit like invading every other nation and trying to unite it because the land belongs to the people. |
| Date | 22:18:29, July 17, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the National Agriculture Agency |
| Message | The argument defeats itself, small farmers have to negotiate deals with massive companies. Fundamentally a single, united agency has more bargaining power than powerless individuals massively susceptible to widespread exploitation. As they have done dozens of times before, the CIP claims to they know the opinion of everybody in Kalistan when they erroneously state 'farmers will not be happy'. Kalistan's golden past shows that public ownership of industry is favourable for everybody except opulent capitalists: the same principle applies in agriculture. We will ensure that the changeover from the present policy to the new one is smooth and well managed by the creation of the NAA. |
| Date | 22:23:31, July 17, 2016 CET | From | Kalistan National Democratic Party KNDP | To | Debating the National Agriculture Agency |
| Message | What if a farm owner wishes to keep there farm are you going to forcefully take it off them ? What you are proposing is that anyone who owns any agricultural land has it taken off them by the government, many people's farms have been in there families for generations and with one fell swoop you take what is theirs away from them. We represent the people, we are not the people let that be quite clear. Imagine this the government demanded that you should hand over your home for them in order to "make the government more efficient" for some reason say industry would you be willing to let your home go ? The fact is the majority wouldn't and that is because they have worked hard for it or on it etc and feel like it is theirs which it is and they way it should be. The privatization of farms would have a detrimentally effect on the country's economy as it would as you say require the government paying all the land owners off and the workers who work on the farm as well as all the crops, machinery etc that is required to run a farm |
| Date | 22:32:14, July 17, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the National Agriculture Agency |
| Message | 'The privatization of farms would have a detrimentally effect on the country's economy' We're glad that the KNDP agrees with us on this issue and look forward to them voting against privatisation by supporting this bill. |
| Date | 23:17:38, July 17, 2016 CET | From | The Conservative Independence Party | To | Debating the National Agriculture Agency |
| Message | Firstly, would you be happy if you were chucked out onto the street and your home taken by the government? I don't think you would. So we don't claim to know what these people would think we say things based on common sense. Secondly, I will remind the Labour Party that without the farmer then a fast food chain wouldn't survive, the company give good deals to small businesses because without them, big buissness won't survive. Thirdly, I thank the Labour Party for showing their true colours and their wishes to unemploy many and control the population. Maybe the voters at the next election will choose another party to govern them. Because people are waking up and learning the truth about the government. |
| Date | 00:58:52, July 18, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the National Agriculture Agency |
| Message | 1) Nationalisation of agriculture would not result in people being 'chucked out onto the street', this point requires no refutation. 2) We can't say we're overly disappointed to see the end of so called big business, if by this the CIP means oversized, capitalist conglomerates. We won't lose any sleep over that one. 3) We fail to see how this proposal results in unemployment and controlling of the population. Once the CIP has finished their inane, meaningless and frankly silly tirade, we wish to have a debate on the National Agriculture Agency. |
| Date | 01:15:05, July 18, 2016 CET | From | The Conservative Independence Party | To | Debating the National Agriculture Agency |
| Message | Farmers will be forced to give their farms their profits, everything to the government. We were using the example of a home because many farmers land is their home. This is exactly the same as a government official going into your home and telling you that they were taking everything from you and you couldn't do a thing about it. And also, farms provide for big buissness, big buissness shuts down then the farm has no customer. Quite simply because the government can't afford to pay for all the industry they're nationalising. Small, rural, farming communities will be most hit by this. |
| Date | 01:29:56, July 18, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the National Agriculture Agency |
| Message | We're not quite sure that the CIP understands what the term 'exactly the same' means. The only change that farmers would notice is that their wage would be paid by the government and not a private company. They wouldn't lose their homes, this is a manufactured lie being used to smear this bill. As for this big business argument, we are increasingly perplexed by the CIP. The party does understand that farms produce primarily food, this is almost the only product in the universe for which there is guaranteed to be a customer. And it isn't big business... |
| Date | 05:33:39, July 18, 2016 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the National Agriculture Agency |
| Message | We can support the establishment of the NAA, but we would request the Premier to add provisions similar to KALNAPECO and KALNAFERCO, including a method for national divestment, and we would encourage a role for the Republican Food Bank. |
| Date | 12:20:28, July 18, 2016 CET | From | The Conservative Independence Party | To | Debating the National Agriculture Agency |
| Message | Yeah we know they wouldn't loose their homes and they would still live there however the government shouldn't force people to give away their property to an organisation wich will treat them as people there to do that work and not owners of the buildings in the farm. So much for Liberty if people have no choice but to give up their homes. |
| Date | 13:34:28, July 18, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the National Agriculture Agency |
| Message | The Premier is addressing this issue and editing the bill now. |
| Date | 13:48:08, July 18, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the National Agriculture Agency |
| Message | The bill has been updated to mirror the structure of the KALNAPECO in particular, we would ask the SP for any further feedback so that we can optimise the NAA using the extensive history of their party in nationalised industry. |
| Date | 20:55:59, July 18, 2016 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the National Agriculture Agency |
| Message | I would add that the Republican Food Bank program buys from the NAA first on contract, and then excess is sold in the open market. |
| Date | 21:34:40, July 18, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the National Agriculture Agency |
| Message | Noted. |
| Date | 22:10:31, July 18, 2016 CET | From | The Conservative Independence Party | To | Debating the National Agriculture Agency |
| Message | See this is exactly what we oppose about this bill. The farmers will be forced to comply with trade deals made by the SPoK and the Labour Party. The voice of the farmers will be completely drowned out and this is not something that is fair or liberal, it's a disgusting example of communism. |
| Date | 22:19:56, July 18, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the National Agriculture Agency |
| Message | Nationalisation has been beneficial to countless other sectors and the workers within them, we want to extend this to agriculture. If the CIP does not agree with this course of action purely because of their ideological beliefs then we invite them to cry us a river. |
| Date | 05:15:00, July 19, 2016 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the National Agriculture Agency |
| Message | The SPoK does not conclude trade deals. The minister of agriculture does. The next Deputy who smears the SP by conflating it with the National Government in an attempt to allege fraud will be brought up for censure in this assembly. We still do have decorum here and I will not stand idly by and allow Parties ignorant about the basics of the political and economic systems in Kalistan slander the SP by suggesting that we are making money off the national economy It is a tired slur and it should stop. |
| Date | 05:16:33, July 19, 2016 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the National Agriculture Agency |
| Message | Comrade Premier, I ask that you bring this bill to a vote. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 393 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 174 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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