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Bill: Extradition of Mr Karl Benn from Kalistan
Details
Submitted by[?]: Patriotic Party of Baltusia
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 4078
Description[?]:
| Karl Benn has fled justice after being sentenced to 20 years in prison. We should seek his extradition from Kalistan, where he is living freely. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:58:08, August 21, 2016 CET | From | Patriotic Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the Extradition of Mr Karl Benn from Kalistan |
| Message | Mr Speaker, Despite his age we cannot allow Mr Benn to get away with this act of injustice. I call on the president, the foreign minister and the justice minister to work with me to ensure that Kalistan see the error of their ways and agree to extradite the fugitive back to Baltusia. I welcome any thoughts on this matter. Home Secretary Bathsheba Grey. |
| Date | 14:32:39, August 21, 2016 CET | From | Baltusian International Democratic Party | To | Debating the Extradition of Mr Karl Benn from Kalistan |
| Message | Mr Speaker, I fully condemn Mr Benns action and should we manage to extradite him he must face a much more serious punishment. This is wrong and his terms are that he must serve 10 years in Baltusia Custody. I shall aid the Home Secretary in trying to convince Kaistan to extradite the unlawful felony that is Karl Benn. Maureen Granger Justice Minister |
| Date | 14:56:25, August 21, 2016 CET | From | United Democratic Party - Syndicalists | To | Debating the Extradition of Mr Karl Benn from Kalistan |
| Message | Mr speaker Karl Benn was only found guilty after a hung verdict and the three judges all voted guilty in the hug vote he is doing nobody harm and the kalistanis are happy to welcome him |
| Date | 14:57:51, August 21, 2016 CET | From | United Democratic Party - Syndicalists | To | Debating the Extradition of Mr Karl Benn from Kalistan |
| Message | Mr speaker Karl Benn was only found guilty after a hung verdict and the three judges all voted guilty in the hug vote he is doing nobody harm and the kalistanis are happy to welcome him Robert Gibb Acting Leader |
| Date | 15:07:41, August 21, 2016 CET | From | Baltusian International Democratic Party | To | Debating the Extradition of Mr Karl Benn from Kalistan |
| Message | Mr Speaker, I propose that Mr Benn has no sense of Justice. He was found guilty unanimously by all three expert judges. He must serve his sentence. If he does not return he could face an upgrading of his sentence. He must return immediately or face further sanctions. Maureen Granger Justice Minister |
| Date | 16:56:52, August 21, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Extradition of Mr Karl Benn from Kalistan |
| Message | Greetings to all parties in Baltusia, After being informed by a fellow Kalistani party that the Baltusian government was seeking to have Mr Benn returned to Baltusia, the Kalistani President would like to make a statement on the matter on behalf of her party and her nation. We would like to make it absolutely categorically and unequivocally clear that Mr Benn WILL NOT be extradited. Regardless of whatever crimes he may or may not have committed, Mr Benn is being personally targeted by the ruling parties in Baltusia and we won't force him to return. He is currently living in Labour Party-funded accommodation and repaying his costs by performing campaign work for our party. As Kalistan's neighbour and partner, we would ask that Baltusia immediately drop this attempt to extradite or risk damaging the historic link between our nations. We are not asking that Mr Benn be acquitted of his crimes, rather that he be allowed to stay in Kalistan indefinitely. We would also remind Baltusia that it is against Kalistani law for the government to extradite citizens, even if we wanted Mr Benn deported we couldn't do it. Florence Orlando President of the United Republic of Kalistan |
| Date | 17:56:14, August 21, 2016 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Extradition of Mr Karl Benn from Kalistan |
| Message | From the Office of the Premier of the Republic, Fredricka Carrangus-Howard, Socialist Party of Kalistan, Premier of the United Republic of Kalistan, Dear Deputies in the Assembly of Baltusia, It has come to our attention that there is a Baltusian being accused of notorious crimes who has fled to Kalistan to avoid prosecution. We can assure you that Comrade Benn is safe and sound in Kalistan, and we will not be extraditing him back to Baltusia. We do not have an extradition treaty with Baltusia, nor do we as a practice extradition of any kind. Thank you for your concern, and we wish you a good day. Fredricka Carrangus Premier of Kalistan |
| Date | 18:43:32, August 21, 2016 CET | From | United Democratic Party - Syndicalists | To | Debating the Extradition of Mr Karl Benn from Kalistan |
| Message | thank you for the support of Mr Benn R.Gibb Leader of The RAC |
| Date | 18:49:37, August 21, 2016 CET | From | Popular Consensus | To | Debating the Extradition of Mr Karl Benn from Kalistan |
| Message | Popular Consensus will abstain from voting. Because we believe that Baltusian justice system is independent and politics shouldn't have an impact on it. Because of bills like this, we act like a dictatorship. This is no matter of Congress, but courts. Sebastian Pressley Chairman of Popular Consensus and Minister of Infrastructure and Transport |
| Date | 19:09:02, August 21, 2016 CET | From | Patriotic Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the Extradition of Mr Karl Benn from Kalistan |
| Message | This is an outrageous response from Kalistan's ruling parties. I call on the President to make a statement on this and urge her to take a hard line. "We want justice done and are happy for the courts to deal with it. This is not political point scoring - this is doing what is right." Bathsheba Grey, Patriotic Party Leader |
| Date | 20:03:23, August 21, 2016 CET | From | United Democratic Party - Syndicalists | To | Debating the Extradition of Mr Karl Benn from Kalistan |
| Message | it is perfectly legal to not extradite someone. you are dishonouring my father and all communists in the country, ms grey if someone called you a fascist then all the right parties on baltusia would have a fit and sue everyone in sight but if the person being called a extremist is a left politician well then they are a evil traitor full stop just because your right wing does not mean your right Katherine Benn Deputy leader RAC Leadership Candidate |
| Date | 20:09:36, August 21, 2016 CET | From | United Democratic Party - Syndicalists | To | Debating the Extradition of Mr Karl Benn from Kalistan |
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| Date | 20:10:49, August 21, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Extradition of Mr Karl Benn from Kalistan |
| Message | On behalf of the President, I would like to ask that the Patriotic Party to retract their comments and tone down their rhetoric. If a man is being personally attacked and persecuted by his government, it is perfectly understandable that he would flee that government. In Kalistan we believe in freedom for all, not just those who buy into the Fascist ideology. Uri Klein Presidential Aise to Florence Orlando |
| Date | 20:15:05, August 21, 2016 CET | From | Kalistan Unionst Party (KUP) | To | Debating the Extradition of Mr Karl Benn from Kalistan |
| Message | I echo the comments of President Orlando. Eleanor Tilney KUP Leader |
| Date | 21:11:13, August 21, 2016 CET | From | Baltusian International Democratic Party | To | Debating the Extradition of Mr Karl Benn from Kalistan |
| Message | OOC: I think you are all confused by RP. I would like to address the uniformed Kalistani government- The decision was taken by 3 expert judges, who were RP by 3 parties who have a wide range of views. The decision and sentence was entirely fiar. He has killed people! |
| Date | 21:17:22, August 21, 2016 CET | From | Baltusian International Democratic Party | To | Debating the Extradition of Mr Karl Benn from Kalistan |
| Message | OOC: The decision was taken by courts separate and unbiased from government. |
| Date | 21:31:56, August 21, 2016 CET | From | United Democratic Party - Syndicalists | To | Debating the Extradition of Mr Karl Benn from Kalistan |
| Message | Mr Benn personally did not kill people and OOC: the 3 parties in the earlier vote were all parties who voted guilty for paramiltaries and two were being role-played by right wing parties so there would have been bias even just unconscious |
| Date | 21:35:58, August 21, 2016 CET | From | Baltusian International Democratic Party | To | Debating the Extradition of Mr Karl Benn from Kalistan |
| Message | OOC: The NBP are centrisit, i'm right and the Autonomista are far let |
| Date | 21:40:04, August 21, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Extradition of Mr Karl Benn from Kalistan |
| Message | OOC: We understand and we believe he shouldn't be extradited. As I've already said, extradition of citizens is illegal in Kalistan at any rate. |
| Date | 06:56:40, August 22, 2016 CET | From | New Baltusia Party | To | Debating the Extradition of Mr Karl Benn from Kalistan |
| Message | You were convicted simple as that. You running makes you a fugitive. This is not a complicated manner. If you refuse to support the request for extradition than you are aiding a fugitive. By you refusing you are not respecting the law of Baltusia or it's judicial system. OOC: Plus I find it rather insulting that you think because I play a center right party that I'm going to be biased no matter what. If you look back I ruled you not guilty on the weapons charge. I took it as a non partisan point of view like an actual judge or jury. If you can't accept that, fine no problem your own opinion. |
| Date | 10:45:23, August 22, 2016 CET | From | Kalistan Unionst Party (KUP) | To | Debating the Extradition of Mr Karl Benn from Kalistan |
| Message | If I were to file an extradition order as were suggested by your conservative colleagues, I would then be breaking Kalistani law and would show a great deal lack of respect to its citizens and judical system. Mr Benn has the right to exercise a life in which he can live freely and safely without fear of persecution and Kalistan is where he will do so. |
| Date | 11:44:26, August 22, 2016 CET | From | New Baltusia Party | To | Debating the Extradition of Mr Karl Benn from Kalistan |
| Message | If you don't grant him the status of a national you can extradite him under your laws. Your law states you don't extradite nationals. As such deny citizenship and return to where he was sentenced in a court of law under our Constitution and laws. You do not get the authority to decide to aid a fugitive running from.his sentence. If a mass murder in your country requested asylum here would you be acting this same way? What about if someone killed your President? Such actions you have taken and with your rhetoric of an oppressing government targeting him. We did not. Again he broke the law and was convicted in a court of law. You say you're not requesting he be acquitted of his crimes but your refusal to extradite and declarations of him living a free life is the equalievent of acquittal of his crimes. Sonya Morrow Foreign Affairs Minister |
| Date | 12:14:47, August 22, 2016 CET | From | Patriotic Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the Extradition of Mr Karl Benn from Kalistan |
| Message | Thank you Madam President. To the offices of the President and Premier of Kalistan. Your law clearly states it is only your own citizens that you can not extradite. So my question is: is Mr Karl Benn now a recognised citizen of Kalistan? Thank you, Bathsheba Grey, Patriotic Party Leader |
| Date | 13:36:52, August 22, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Extradition of Mr Karl Benn from Kalistan |
| Message | Whether or not Mr Benn is currently a citizen is irrelevant, if we sought to extradite him he could just claim citizenship due to Kalistan's law that anybody may obtain citizenship. The Baltusian parties miss the point, though. If Mr Benn is really a criminal then why can he not remain in Kalistan? Surely the Baltusian government would want him as far isolated as possible from their ordinary, law-abiding citizens? Therefore, we believe that the true aim isn't to separate Mr Benn from the rest of society, it is to persecute him. The matter has been sufficiently addressed and the President will make no further comment. Uri Klein Presidential Aise to Florence Orlando |
| Date | 15:06:53, August 22, 2016 CET | From | Patriotic Party of Baltusia | To | Debating the Extradition of Mr Karl Benn from Kalistan |
| Message | With the greatest respect, I find this argument rather obtuse, Mr Klein. If Mr Benn was being detained in a prison cell, whether that be in Kalistan or Baltusia, then yes, I would say justice is being served. You could even work with us to ensure his civil rights are being upheld to your satisfaction wherever he is detained. But the fact of the matter is he is as free as a bird and carrying out political campaign work as is only punishment. The facts are quite clear: He has been found guilty - and should be in jail. He is a fugitive of law - so should serve a heftier sentence because of that. Three impartial judges found him guilty of the crime - no hint of political bias, unless you are casting doubt on our judicial system. He is not "isolated" but just over the border in Kalistan. From there he is able to continue to influence people in Baltusia in many ways. This would not be the case if he was serving a custodial sentence. In essence, we do not wish to persecute anyone - we wish to prosecute the law and ensure a convicted criminal serves the jail sentence he has received. All we want is justice. Bathsheba Grey, Patriotic Party Leader |
| Date | 16:18:31, August 22, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Extradition of Mr Karl Benn from Kalistan |
| Message | I have made the view of the President clear and I will not offer any further comment. Uri Klein Presidential Aise to Florence Orlando |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 483 | ||||||
| no | Total Seats: 117 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 150 |
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