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Bill: Removing Restrictions on Alcohol and Tobacco
Details
Submitted by[?]: Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 4103
Description[?]:
| The lite-tyranny of the Government Parties needs to end now. It is stunning how far old Labour will go to undo everything they have fought for for decades, but bills like this will lay out, in stark contrast, the differences between Leftist and Rightist Parties in Kalistan. As a point of discussion, the only restrictions placed on these products are restrictions of quality. People may not, for example, water down alcohol and sell it as full proof, not may they pass other substances off as tobacco when it is not. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards alcoholic beverages.
Old value:: Alcoholic beverages may be purchased and consumed anywhere, but only by adults.
Current: Alcoholic beverages may be purchased only from licensed sales outlets, but consumed by anyone.
Proposed: Alcoholic beverages may be purchased only from licensed sales outlets, but consumed by anyone.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Sale of tobacco products.
Old value:: Only adults may purchase tobacco.
Current: There are no regulations on the sale of tobacco.
Proposed: There are certain restrictions on the sale of tobacco products but everyone is allowed to buy them.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:44:29, October 10, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Removing Restrictions on Alcohol and Tobacco |
| Message | Unfortunately, the old Labour you refer to is just that, old. As times progress, so do we. We believe in safeguarding children where possible, that's why we introduced the regulations that we did. |
| Date | 17:27:04, October 10, 2016 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Removing Restrictions on Alcohol and Tobacco |
| Message | Oh Children... That old trope... You know, the current law just makes criminals of kids... it doesn't do anything to prevent kids from smoking or drinking. Enjoy the Dark side, Comrades over across the Aisle with the Conservatives. We'll stay with Kalistani Liberty. |
| Date | 18:30:18, October 10, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Removing Restrictions on Alcohol and Tobacco |
| Message | The SP will notice the law makes no mention of use of goods, simply sale of them. |
| Date | 18:40:07, October 10, 2016 CET | From | The Conservative Independence Party | To | Debating the Removing Restrictions on Alcohol and Tobacco |
| Message | This is about keeping children safe. Would the SPoK prefer it is the Labour Party changed the laws so children could actually be punished? |
| Date | 02:37:11, October 11, 2016 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Removing Restrictions on Alcohol and Tobacco |
| Message | Then, surely our friends among the Liberals will then have no problem with the SP opening stores specifically to pass out free cigarettes and alcohol to all who enter, without regard to age. We wouldn't after all, be selling them. |
| Date | 02:39:11, October 11, 2016 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Removing Restrictions on Alcohol and Tobacco |
| Message | We do not think that restricting sales of cigarettes and alcohol does anything to "keep children safe". The CIP is up to their old tricks here: is there some sort of epidemic of drunk and smoking children running loose in Kalistan, under some sort of threat so much that we need to alter the law so as to use the National Assembly to "keep them safe"? When did this become a major problem? Was it when we put this nonsense down years ago, or just before this bill passed recently? |
| Date | 08:30:10, October 11, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Removing Restrictions on Alcohol and Tobacco |
| Message | No, we would have no problem with that other than the moral questions we might ask of you. |
| Date | 17:32:40, October 11, 2016 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Removing Restrictions on Alcohol and Tobacco |
| Message | Passing out free cigarettes and alcohol is not a moral issue, Friends. It would simply be one of public Health. But stopping someone from being able to freely make decisions because some law imposes what the Government thinks is the "correct" choice on them on pain of legal penalty actually IS a moral issue. We think making someone's choice for them is immoral, and we can't support it. We wish the LP had opted not to support it, twice now, as well... |
| Date | 17:56:42, October 11, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Removing Restrictions on Alcohol and Tobacco |
| Message | Unfortunately, sometimes the government has to make choices. If fewer people smoke and drink alcohol then fewer people come through hospital doors with problems relating to them. That leaves doctors with more time to spend on patients who haven't created their own problems. Why should the taxpayer foot the bill because you smoked forty a day and now find yourself with lung cancer? It's a fair question to ask. No that we necessarily agree but that just helps you to understand where we are coming from at least. |
| Date | 19:40:51, October 11, 2016 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Removing Restrictions on Alcohol and Tobacco |
| Message | The problem is, more laws does not equal fewer people smoking and drinking. It only creates more work for law enforcement. We come from the position that people deserve health care by being members of society, regardless of their behavior. Moral Hazard as an argument does not change the fact that people will continue to make the choices that they will regardless of the costs. Since we cannot change behavior with the law, it is more important for us to ensure that we are not using the law to place an unnecessary burden on people's liberty. |
| Date | 19:43:42, October 11, 2016 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Removing Restrictions on Alcohol and Tobacco |
| Message | It's fair to say that further obstacles to obtaining substances will not eliminate their use but surely you must admit there will be (at least a slight) reduction in levels of usage. Even if this is just a result of som lazy individual who can't be bothered with the hassle. |
| Date | 20:11:32, October 11, 2016 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Removing Restrictions on Alcohol and Tobacco |
| Message | We would agree that there is a potential to achieve something of the outcome that the Labour Speaker suggests. We do not feel that the restriction in liberty is justified by that probability. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 214 | ||
| no |
Total Seats: 536 | ||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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