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Bill: Abolition of National Service Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 4181
Description[?]:
| Young Kalistanis should be free to make their own life choices. The government should not force them to do national service. This is unnecessary and illiberal. Sophie Juderías Leader of the Liberal Party |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change National service.
Old value:: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve a term of civilian national service.
Current: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve a term of civilian national service.
Proposed: There shall be no mandatory military or civilian national service.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:16:11, March 16, 2017 CET | From | New Democrats | To | Debating the Abolition of National Service Act |
| Message | Civilian national service is a core tradition of Kalistan, and we see no reason to destroy a long-treasured program which improves society. |
| Date | 21:02:33, March 16, 2017 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Abolition of National Service Act |
| Message | Who do you people actually think you are? Despite never receiving a democratic mandate you seem to believe you have the right to complete erode everything that makes our nation great! Valerie Appelmans Labour Party General Secretary |
| Date | 22:51:44, March 16, 2017 CET | From | Liberal Party | To | Debating the Abolition of National Service Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The Labour Party obviously can't cope with the fact that a non-establishment party has the temerity to put forward ideas of its own. If the honourable lady finds opposition so challenging, perhaps she should consider whether she would be better suited to a career outside of politics? Sophie Juderías Leader of the Liberal Party |
| Date | 22:56:06, March 16, 2017 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Abolition of National Service Act |
| Message | Perhaps you should have a career in politics at all before lecturing me on one? Leading a protest movement which nobody supports is a rather different role than leading a party which has been in government for the majority of the last century. Spend less time patronising me and more time evaluating the consequences of your disastrous legislation. How will you pay for the shortfall in labour as a result of this bill? Where will the money for higher education come from? Where will all citizens learn the basic skills which they currently gain through national service? What will happen to those whose income depends on the scheme? Questions you cannot even begin to answer because you have no concept of the functioning of government. Valerie Appelmans Labour Party General Secretary |
| Date | 23:29:22, March 16, 2017 CET | From | Liberal Party | To | Debating the Abolition of National Service Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The honourable lady further confirms by her childish reaction that she does not know how to cope with having her political views challenged. She obviously thinks only people from the political establishment like herself have a right to express an opinion on anything. It is true that the Liberal Party is a new party and has not yet won seats, but I can assure the honourable lady we are much more than a "protest movement which nobody supports". Our membership is 50,000 and growing, we have branches opening all over the country, we are registering in the opinion polls and on current trends, we are expecting to gain representation at the next national election. The Honourable Lady clearly has little knowledge of the world, since if she had more experience she would appreciate that many, many other nations in Terra do not have national service and do not suffer calamitous consequences as a result. She is engaging in puerile scaremongering, and she is also insulting our young people by suggesting subjecting them to forced labour is somehow essential to the welfare of the country. Similar arguments were made in the days when slavery was abolished. Young people who are not conscripted into national service will be able to use the time for their own benefit, as they themselves choose. Some will go into work, some will go into education, some will go into vocational training, some will take a year out. But whatever they go for, it will be their choice, not the state's. And that's the way it should be. Sophie Juderías Leader of the Liberal Party |
| Date | 18:15:26, March 17, 2017 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Abolition of National Service Act |
| Message | It seems I was correct. The Liberals are unable to answer my questions. The phrase 'some will go into education' demonstrates how absolutely clueless they are. For the benefit of those who have not studied the legislative history of our great nation, I will remind you all that the period of national service occurs upon the completion of education. Valerie Appelmans Labour Party General Secretary |
| Date | 19:27:14, March 17, 2017 CET | From | Liberal Party | To | Debating the Abolition of National Service Act |
| Message | OOC: Okay, I didn't know that detail so I'll try to bear that in mind for the future. And I confess I haven't studied Kalistan's entire legislative history, so apologies if that's a problem, but gimme a chance here... |
| Date | 20:06:25, March 17, 2017 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Abolition of National Service Act |
| Message | OOC: Understood but we might be more inclined to be sympathetic if you didn't suddenly decide that every aspect of our nation which has existed for centuries was an outdated establishment stitch up. |
| Date | 22:07:25, March 17, 2017 CET | From | Liberal Party | To | Debating the Abolition of National Service Act |
| Message | OOC: Umm....I don't know what to make of that last statement, other than I'm definitely picking up the vibe I'm not welcome here. |
| Date | 22:24:52, March 17, 2017 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Abolition of National Service Act |
| Message | OOC: Pick up whatever 'vibe' you like but ask most players who've been here in the past few weeks/months and I'm sure you'll find its perfectly pleasant. You asked me to give you a chance and I said that perhaps I would be more receptive to that argument if you didn't call us a scared political establishment when we oppose your attempts to abolish aspects of our society which have been in place for hundreds of IG years. If you want advice, ask but don't blame us for being unreceptive when you demonstrate a disregard for the tenants of Kalistan. More to the point: militias, drug legalisation, open borders, the lack of a police force etc. are FUNDAMENTAL to Kalistan as a society. Imagine a politician arriving in the US and suddenly declaring 'the people do not want this country to be a federation, it's time to abolish states and the political establishment is just scared of me for saying it' and you'll see where I'm coming from... |
| Date | 22:36:51, March 17, 2017 CET | From | Liberal Party | To | Debating the Abolition of National Service Act |
| Message | OOC: When I asked you to give me a chance, I meant be considerate about the fact I've not been here as long as you, so I'm not as familiar with the legislative history and so on. You've now made it clear that unless I RP my party as supporting private militias, all-out drugs legalisation, totally open borders and the complete absence of any kind of police force, you're going to be personally hostile to me. I wasn't sure if that's what you meant at first, hence my previous response, but now it's pretty clear. Guys, can I ask whether this is the consensus and you're all agreed with the Labour Party player on this? If so, I'll either change my party to something else (ie. something that is pro-drugs, pro-paramilitaries etc.) or leave (which would be a shame since I was enjoying Kalistan). |
| Date | 22:41:04, March 17, 2017 CET | From | Labour Party | To | Debating the Abolition of National Service Act |
| Message | OOC: Rather manipulating my response. I gave no indication of personal hostility- if you interpreted that then that's on you. However, there will of course be IG hostility when you propose a stream of legislation antithetical to what Kalistan represents. Apologies if you got the wrong impression... |
| Date | 03:43:06, March 18, 2017 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Abolition of National Service Act |
| Message | We would like to advise the Assembly, that this bill, which does not abolish the National Service Act, just kneecaps it, would be unconstitutional were it to pass, under the Constitutional Court Case Al-Khali vs. Hubert, decided in 4092. Here is the text of the Case. as well as the findings: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=484237 Gregory Bennots, Minister of Justice |
| Date | 03:57:26, March 18, 2017 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Abolition of National Service Act |
| Message | In defense of the National Service Program, To our comrades in the Liberal Party, you must know that Kalistan's National Service Program has been a vital part of Kalistan's economy for centuries. Remember, the NSP is the primary method of public finance for education, which has benefited Kalistan for centuries. It ensures that excess labor does not compete with established labor, thereby guaranteeing millions and millions of working people a high standard of living and equity with their bosses in terms of pay and conditions of employment. It is the primary job training program in Kalistan for new workers. It is the primary method of staffing the national bureaucracy. It is the primary method of manning all of Kalistan's National Industries, and maintaining all of Kalistan's National Infrastructure. It is the primary vehicle of socialization for every single young adult in Kalistan, and has been an integral feature of Kalistan's economy far longer than anyone currently serving in Office has been alive- More than 700 years, in fact! But- what am I saying? Of course YOU know that, because unless you just arrived in Kalistan from a different nation, YOU yourself went through National Service, just as I did, just as all 748 other Deputies in this Assembly did. We all know this- don't pretend like you didn't learn the lessons of the National Service. Unless you skipped all the socialization classes, which you couldn't possibly have done and stayed with any distinction or honor in the National Service. Please don't degrade the National Service for ideological ends. If you want to end the NSP, then do so because it is flawed. But what our Labour comrade was attempting to point out was that ending it, over night would do tremendous damage to the Kalistani economy, since the two things are so incredibly integrated that one cannot disappear with a single vote and not adversely and catastrophically affect the other. You know that too, Comrade. We would appreciate it if you would remember that, instead of pretending that all this National Service business is a new thing which has no (OOC: RP) roots in Kalistan. Frank Bennots, Premier of the Republic |
| Date | 04:06:26, March 18, 2017 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Abolition of National Service Act |
| Message | OOC: And to add, I would be perfectly happy to work with you on the important features of Kalistan's system. I believe I am an excellent resource, as I wrote most of Kalistan's laws throughout our history. In 10 IG years, the SP will celebrate its 1,600th Anniversary. I don't think it is a stretch to say that SP history and Kalistan history are about as synonymous as they come. But I, for one (and I know the Labour Party) do welcome you. For myself, I just would encourage you to take a little time and immerse yourself in our system. You will find it is very rich, and very well curated, and gives you all sorts of options which you maybe never imagined. Kalistan is very special to me, and I am very proud of it. I hope you will be too. :) ) |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 78 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 588 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 84 |
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