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Bill: Dorvish military restructuring of 4243 (Ground Force)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Sozialdemokratische Arbeitsfront (SDA)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 4244
Description[?]:
| Hereby, we the SDA present a plan to restructure our armed forces and to get rid of some old equipment and aquire new. We want to restructure several divisions and make the size and role of the army clear once and for all. We understand this increase in men and equipment will cost some money and will therefore propose a budget shortly. But keep in mind this is mostly a restructuring. The only thing that will cost money will be the upgrading of our current weapon system's and the small expanding of the Dorvish Armed Forces. Lets get dorvik back on the military stage and protect our citizens! Republik Dorvik, military restructuring 1 Division= 10,000 men/equipment 1 batallion= 300 men/equipment 1 Regiment= 2,000 men/equipment 1 Kompanie= 80 men/equipment Infantry units: 1st to 54th Dorvische Landwehr Division (Normal infantry) 1st to 24th Dorvische Panzergrenadieren (Heavy/anti-tank infantry, Regiment) 1st to 12th Dorvische Logistische Truppen (Engineers, Regiment) Armored units/tanks: 1st to 9th Dorvische Panzer Batalion (Leopard 2A4,main battle tank https://www.google.nl/search?q=Leopard+2A4&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj75JDP85PVAhUMOsAKHeZjBnQQ_AUICigB&biw=1280&bih=654#imgrc=vfOoZeZCCQ372M: ) 1st to 2nd Dorvische Panzer Zerstörer Kompanie (Jagdpanzer Kanone 90mm, Tank destroyer: https://www.google.nl/search?q=german+tank+destroyers+modern&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwietJW09ZPVAhXJa1AKHT6XCVgQ_AUIBigB&biw=1280&bih=654#tbm=isch&q=Jagdpanzer+Kanone+90mm&imgrc=dIxQ1AOjuVKfqM: ) 1st to 10th Dorvische Scout-Einheit (Stryker Recon,Kompanie, scout: https://www.google.nl/search?q=m11+27&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJu77I9pPVAhUNI1AKHXzyCMMQ_AUIBygC&biw=1280&bih=654#tbm=isch&q=Stryker+AFV&imgrc=wRI9qJ_BSW0rFM: ) Transport: 1st to 40th Dorvische Transportregiment (Mungo ESK, Transport vehicle: https://www.google.nl/search?q=m11+27&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJu77I9pPVAhUNI1AKHXzyCMMQ_AUIBygC&biw=1280&bih=654#tbm=isch&q=Mungo+ESK&imgrc=TwUAGYxOpBdmRM: ) 1st to 12th Dorvische Hubschrauber Transport (NH90, Transport vehicle: https://www.google.nl/search?q=m11+27&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJu77I9pPVAhUNI1AKHXzyCMMQ_AUIBygC&biw=1280&bih=654#tbm=isch&q=nh90+helicopter&imgrc=cDiT9HPOjMEdwM: ) 1st to 20th Dorvische Lastkraft regiment (Several trucks of different types) Support: 1st to 20th Dorvische Artillerie Batalion (M77 Howitzers, Artillery: https://www.google.nl/search?q=m11+27&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiJu77I9pPVAhUNI1AKHXzyCMMQ_AUIBygC&biw=1280&bih=654#tbm=isch&q=m777+howitzer&imgrc=ryxJRwNq8h0WHM: ) 1st to 1st Dorvische Raket Batalion (M270 MLRs system, Rocket Artillery: https://www.google.nl/search?q=MLRs&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjAleS0-ZPVAhUDUlAKHd-8BqAQ_AUIBigB&biw=1280&bih=610#tbm=isch&q=m270&imgrc=TbOtweNu4TLjLM: ) 1st to 12th Dorvische Flugabwehr Batallion (Flagpanzer Gepard, Anti air: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flakpanzer_Gepard ) Normal Infantry equipment: Main weapon: BMCR https://www.google.nl/search?q=BMCR&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjitqnI-5PVAhVNJVAKHf60AysQ_AUIBigB&biw=1280&bih=610#imgrc=PjWKRrlio7SvpM: (The main weapon is the standard issued rifle to the Dorvish infantry sometimes other rifle's are given to soldiers if the BMCR is not available) Sidearm: FN FNP https://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/FN_FNP 2 frag grenade's 1 stun grenade 1 bandage 1 military uniform Panzergrenadier equipment: Main Weapon: ACR https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptive_Combat_Rifle Sidearm: Glock 17 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glock#Glock_17 1 anti-tank grenade 2 frag grenade's 1 stun grenade 1 bandage 1 uniform (Note: squads of panzergrenadieren have at least one member with a rocket launcher which is the M72 LAW https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/M72_LAW ) (OOC: i have done my best if anyone wants to add something, message me) |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:36:43, July 19, 2017 CET | From | Sozialdemokratische Arbeitsfront (SDA) | To | Debating the Dorvish military restructuring of 4243 (Ground Force) |
| Message | President, We think it was time for a massive restructure and upgrade of our army and weapon systems. If any party wants to add something to this proposal pls give us a notice. Special FOrces will be restructured and rebranded in another bill. We will split our bills into 4 sections: Ground Force, Navy, Air Force and Special Forces. We will systematically present these bills to the Rat and this is the first one. Lets protect dorvik and keep Dorvik as a important player in the world, not only politically nd economically but also militarily! Arthur Von Wolfhausen, Secretary General of the SDA |
| Date | 04:15:35, July 19, 2017 CET | From |  Schwarze Adler Verein | To | Debating the Dorvish military restructuring of 4243 (Ground Force) |
| Message | Herr and Frau Deputies of the State Council, "I am here today by invitation of the Social Nationalist Party. Some of you might know me, other you might not. My name is Friedrich Augustus von Rohr-Mauss. I am currently a Colonel in the Dorvish Landwehr. I was asked today to stand in front of you and discuss the fact that the Social Democratic Workers Front had presented this bill today. I am not attacking Arthur von Wolfhausen or the SDAF instead I am here to respond to the issues with this recommendation. The restoration of the Dorvish Armed Forces at the foundation of the Republic of Dorvik was key to the continued success of the Dorvish people and the Dorvish nation as a whole. This proposal however, is incredibly dangerous. The proposal would undermine the current structure of the Dorvish Armed Forces and render us entirely defenseless and useless. This proposal is as dangerous as the fantasy that was presented to us by the Conservative Union during the Federal Republic of Dorvik. For those of you who do not know, the Dorvish Armed Forces are broken into three primary branches: the Dorvish Landwehr (ground component), the Dorvish Navy (naval component) and the Dorvish Air Force (air and air defense component). The Dorvish Armed Forces also has several other branches, most operate independent of the command structure that is the traditional branches. The Dorvish Jäger (Special forces), the Dorvish Feldjäger (military police) and finally the Military Security Service (military intelligence). This was the structure that was in use during the time of the Dorvish Republic and succeeded into the Federal Republic after some reform by the Social Nationalist Party and it's leadership, including my father who served as Inspector-General. Dorvik has consistently ranked among the top tier of nations in terms of military power, military diplomacy and military success. Unfortunately during a large portion of the Federal Republic, we fell. The Dorvish Armed Forces collapsed in on itself underneath years of mismanagement and neglect. Luckily, we were able to stave off total disaster and we survived. We survived but lost our ability to project ourselves overseas if necessary, we are at best, a regional power with the trappings of a world power due to our proud traditions. The reason I stand before you today is for several reasons: 1) The Dorvish Armed Forces, at it's height as a world power, ranked somewhere around 640,000 personnel active with another 480,000 in reserve. This overhaul would call for the addition of nearly 19 million men in the Dorvish Landwehr alone. That would rank far far above our historical highs, highs that have not been seen since the Collapse of the Reich period of our history. 2) The purchase and swapping of equipment that we already have when our defense budget is as low as it's ever been. The Dorvish Armed Forces opposes this, the Social Nationalist oppose this. Other parties should oppose this. Leave the soldiering to the soldiers and the politics to the politicians. Thank you." |
| Date | 05:40:30, July 19, 2017 CET | From | Dorvische Landvolkpartei | To | Debating the Dorvish military restructuring of 4243 (Ground Force) |
| Message | OOC: I appreciate the effort at this, it is very interesting, but I've always had a sort of problem with this sort of stuff. I think this is the problem with getting so detailed about what the soldiers carry. I mean, if we were to have a "war" wouldn't we just find whatever pictures of combat we could find? Why do we need to know exactly how many grenades a soldier carries? Wouldn't this be their personal choice? Also, wouldn't it be more cost effective to have ALL soldiers carry the same basic firearms (i.e. why regulars BMCR and grenadiers ACRs?) and not have different branches carrying different equipment? What about armor carriers (they are like really big flatbed trucks for tanks)? Or mechanical vehicles? The questions are endless. |
| Date | 10:14:16, July 19, 2017 CET | From | Sozialdemokratische Arbeitsfront (SDA) | To | Debating the Dorvish military restructuring of 4243 (Ground Force) |
| Message | Ooc: i had the same concern myself about the infantry firearms. As stated in this proposal the infantry can equip other kinds of weapons if the BMCR is out of stock or not available. I hope to fix the picture problem because of this. As for he grenadieren, they are a more specialised unit then the standard Landwehr and therefore have other equipment. The transport vehicles are based on the german infantry carrier and as stated below the proposal for the infantry carrier other trucks are also used by the armed forces but are not listed here. The grenades a soldier carries is indeed a personal choice but this is the standard issued amount that a soldier MUST carry at all times (unless they get used up by the soldier himself) I hope i have answered all your questions. |
| Date | 10:32:50, July 19, 2017 CET | From | Sozialdemokratische Arbeitsfront (SDA) | To | Debating the Dorvish military restructuring of 4243 (Ground Force) |
| Message | President, We understand the concern of both the military and the SNP but theyre biggest critisiscm is rather unbased. 19 million men? In this proposal we have clearly stated that the infantry would have 54 normal infantry divisions and another 24 Panzergrenadieren regiment's and 12 Logistische regimenten that comes to a total of 612.000 soldiers for the infantry (Look at the statistics above the proposal that shows how many men every type has) So the groundforce has a total of 612.000 men + the additional equipment (tanks,artillery other vehicles) which is more near the height of our military then near the absurt presumption that this proposal includes 19 million men. The second thing where it seems the SNP and the commander have not payed attention is the fact that at the beginning of the proposal we have included a line that says " We understand this increase in men and equipment will cost some money and we will therefore propose a budget shortly (in a short while)" As you can see we have thought of this and will propose a budget increase in the next months to fascilitate this military restructuring and increase. No offense commander and SNP leadership, but next time please read the proposal carefully and do your calculations good. Thank you for the citiscm and we hope to have answered all questions. Arthur Von Wolfhausen, Secretary General of the SDA |
| Date | 13:29:58, July 19, 2017 CET | From | Vorwärts Republik! | To | Debating the Dorvish military restructuring of 4243 (Ground Force) |
| Message | President, We reiterate some of the comments made by Friedrich von Rohr-Mauss, we cannot see the need for an overhaul of the armed forces at this time. The structure in place has worked well for many many decades, and having spoken to our party leader whose family has first hand experience of the attempted reforms by the Konservative Union. We agree that the defence budget does need a significant overhaul and we are currently working on a new budget proposal within the ministry that should hopefully be present within the next couple of months. For now we will disagree with these reforms. On a further note we have appointed a member of the SNP to the position of Inspector-General of the Dorvish Armed Forces, we felt the need for this as the SNP have a vast set of expertise regarding the armed forces. Albert Jaeger Minister of Defence |
| Date | 14:29:42, July 19, 2017 CET | From | Sozialdemokratische Arbeitsfront (SDA) | To | Debating the Dorvish military restructuring of 4243 (Ground Force) |
| Message | President, The SDA regrets the standstill of inovation party's in this assembly are proposing. As mister Jaeger said this system has worked well for many decade's. DECADE's. It is time for inovation. and if our army wants to be one of the strongest in Artania and even the world we should innovate and consider this proposal. As stated at the end of the proposal we are open to ANY suggestions to make this overhaul as solid as possible and to skyrocket the dorvish armed forces into the next decade's. Please give your suggestions. And this bill also increases the size of the military considerably for which a new budget is needed. As also stated in this bill. Arthur Von Wolfhausen, Secretary General of the SDA |
| Date | 23:46:32, July 19, 2017 CET | From | Schwarze Adler Verein | To | Debating the Dorvish military restructuring of 4243 (Ground Force) |
| Message | Herr Wolfhausen, This is not innovation, this is destruction of one of the world's foremost military powers since the inception of the Kingdom of Dorvik. Dorvish armies have marched across the world to the beat of their own drum, this proposal is nothing but a knife to stab in the back of our soldiers and our established military tradition. Friedrich Augustus von Rohr-Mauss, Colonel, Dorvish Landwehr |
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| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 61 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 425 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 113 |
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