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Bill: OOC: CP Update (Draft/Discussion)
Details
Submitted by[?]: 國民黨 (Nationalist Party)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 4280
Description[?]:
| I am proposing to update Indrala's Cultural Protocols to the document below. In order to become effective, this bill must be passed by two-thirds of players with seats and more than half of the legislature. In addition, one player who has continuously active in the nation for at least a month must support the bill. ------------------------------------------------- ---OVERVIEW— Indrala is based primarily on Imperial China, in particular the Xia, Shang, Zhou and Han dynasties with some influences from the Qing dynasty, Taiwan/Chinese Taipei and the PRC. Throughout this document, brackets are used to highlight real-life equivalents of in-game terms. ---HISTORY--- Indralan history can be split into four periods: pre-historic, ancient, colonial and modern. The first people to settle Indrala were Gao-Showans from mainland Dovani. Prior to the 150 CE, they created the Kingdoms of Mesing and Gemu-Teng. From their downfall to the 950, the island was split between local rulers. In 950, Liu Ji became the first person to unite the entire island under single rule, as the Great Xinhan Empire. The United Commonwealth later repeated this feat. From 1794 to 1938, Indrala was governed by the Aloria, as a protectorate and dominion. A communist revolution overthrew the colonists and led to centuries of republican rule. In 2875, the island became divided by monarchies and was governed by an emperor until the start of the 5th millennium. Today, society remains polarised between monarchist and republican sentiments. ---ETHNICITY--- » Indralan/Ethnic Indralan (Han Chinese)- 89% » Dinh (Vietnamese)- 3% » Phra (Thai)- 2% » Bianjie (Manchu)- 1% » Utari (Ainu)- 1% » Tong (Zhuang)- 1% » Errawa (Bamar)- 1% » Other (e.g. Kunikata (Japanese), Kyo (Korean) and Canrillaise (French))- 2% Indralans (Han Chinese), sometimes called ethnic Indralans to differentiate them from the nationality, are the dominant ethnic group in the country. They are the descendants of the first people to settle on the island of Indrala. There are sizable minorities of Dinh (Vietnamese), Phra (Thai), Bianjie (Manchu), Utari (Ainu) and Errawa (Bamar) people who migrated to the country from their homelands when they were colonised by Indrala. Similarly, the Tong (Zhuang) are a separate ethnic group who inhabited the island of Tongdin and spread to Indrala in the modern era. ---RELIGION--- » Jienism (Conficianism) / Guidao (Chinese folk religion)- 90% » Daenism (Buddhism): --Zenshō (Zen)- 5% --Other- 1% » Irreligious/Atheism- 3% » Other- 1% Most Indralans practise a mixture of Jienism (Conficianism) and Guidao (Chinese folk religion). The latter has been a part of Indralan society since the Kingdom of Mesing while Jienism from the teachings of Jien and incorporated aspects of traditional religion. For centuries, the Jienist philosophy has been central to Indralan society and the Indralan emperor was the leader of the religion at one time. Daenism (Buddhism), especially Zenshō (Zen), has been associated with the radical political Zenshō Socialism. As a result, adherents were target by the Indralan government for many years. Other religions are practised in smaller numbers. For example, other Daenist (Buddhist) sects and several varieties of Hosianism (Christianity). ---LANGUAGE--- Indralan (Zhongyuan Mandarin Chinese) is the most widely spoken language in Indrala. Minority populations often speak their own native languages in addition to Indralan and these include: Dinh (Vietnamese in chu nom and Latin characters), Bianjie (Manchurian), Phra (Thai), Utari (Ainu Japanese), Errawa (Burmese/Myanmar language) and Tong (Standard Zhuang). In modern society, children are often taught a foreign language such as Luthorian (English), Kunikata (Japanese) or Kyo (Korean). ---NAMING--- Character names should be based on a reasonable interpretation of the ethnic breakdown above, i.e. primarily Indralan (Han Chinese) with a small number of minority characters. Ideally, party names should be formatted “Chinese characters (English translation)” however this is not binding and simply a request. Helpful links: Translation: https://translate.google.com Naming tools: http://fantasynamegenerators.com and http://www.behindthename.com/random/ Game Rules: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6363 Cultural Protocols Index: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=6365 |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:11:10, September 10, 2017 CET | From | 國民黨 (Nationalist Party) | To | Debating the OOC: CP Update (Draft/Discussion) |
| Message | First draft proposed. |
| Date | 04:27:12, September 12, 2017 CET | From | 莲花党 (Lotus Party) 🌸 | To | Debating the OOC: CP Update (Draft/Discussion) |
| Message | OOC: I only have small suggestions, (1) I like the part of the only document which reads describes "Indrala, known as Yingdala in the Indralan language (meaning "Jade Like and Large Towering Rock")" (2) If children are being taught Kyo or Kunikata in Indrala, I feel like there should be larger numbers of those communities to make them more relevant to the country. |
| Date | 09:31:16, September 12, 2017 CET | From | 國民黨 (Nationalist Party) | To | Debating the OOC: CP Update (Draft/Discussion) |
| Message | Okay, sure I can add that back in. I'm reluctant to abide your second request however because I don't think the two factors are necessarily related. Usually the language children are taught is based on what's used in business/globally not what exists in the nation. As an example, I'm from the UK where the largest foreign-born populations are Polish, Indian and Pakistani however at school we learn French, German or Spanish. So I don't think it's necessary for us to have minority populations to learn the language. |
| Date | 17:13:38, September 12, 2017 CET | From | 莲花党 (Lotus Party) 🌸 | To | Debating the OOC: CP Update (Draft/Discussion) |
| Message | I agree with your points but I don’t feel that either of those languages are used in business much considering that Kunihata is only used in one country and Kyo is a minority language in another, and they are quite far and from what I can tell, not overwhelmingly influential. Thus, I felt that the only way it would be justified further is if there were at least large enough communities of these languages that they’d be mentioned. Perhaps more prevalent languages then? |
| Date | 17:33:51, September 12, 2017 CET | From | 國民黨 (Nationalist Party) | To | Debating the OOC: CP Update (Draft/Discussion) |
| Message | Kunikata would certainly be used in more than one country (Kizenia, Sekowo and Hulstria off the top of my head). Kyo perhaps not so much. Given that both are Gao-Indralan languages too, it would make sense. In reality, the most commonly learned languages in China are English, Japanese and Korean (http://www.lexiophiles.com/english/top-foreign-languages-learnt-in-china) so I'm being realistic too. However, if you have another suggestion, I'm happy to consider it. |
| Date | 21:46:13, September 12, 2017 CET | From | 莲花党 (Lotus Party) 🌸 | To | Debating the OOC: CP Update (Draft/Discussion) |
| Message | I don’t really care enough to keep moving forward with this one small issue, but I’ll just add my last thoughts: (1) Though it is a Gao-Showan language, the majority of speakers are on the other side of the map and in the real world Chinese and Japanese are not part of the same language family, thus; (2) The fact that people in those countries learn those languages is out of proximity, not ease of learning (despite what the article says, learning Korean as a Chinese speaker is just as difficult as an English speaker learning Russian) or any other value than simply communication with neighbouring states. For instance, as you said, in the UK you might be instructed in French or German. It would certainly be more prudent to teach children Hindi, Spanish or Mandarin, but yet they are not aided by proximity. Also, with my prior mentioned point, there are large communities of those language speakers in each of those nations (i.e. the Korean community in Japan and China); (3) Therefor I would suggest perhaps the In-game French, as there are many french countries sharing a sea with us, at least to replace Kyo if there is no Kyo community in Indrala. |
| Date | 22:41:26, September 13, 2017 CET | From | 國民黨 (Nationalist Party) | To | Debating the OOC: CP Update (Draft/Discussion) |
| Message | It just doesn't really make any sense to me, Indrala and the French nations (Kanjor, Rildanor and Alduria, I presume you mean) have no shared history, culture or anything. It's akin to Brits learning Icelandic simply because it's nearby and bear in mind that we're considering the in-game languages not the real-life equivalents, see here: http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Gao-Indralan_Languages |
| Date | 23:43:38, September 13, 2017 CET | From | 莲花党 (Lotus Party) 🌸 | To | Debating the OOC: CP Update (Draft/Discussion) |
| Message | I mention the French nations because I felt that that language would have been of greater commercial interest than Kyo, but I'll concede my points since I don't think it's that important of an issue, just a thought. My only suggestion that I'll maintain is that we have at least small mentioned communities of Kyo and Kunihata in our country, especially considering that we are now actively bringing in refugees from those groups ;) |
| Date | 01:18:53, September 14, 2017 CET | From | 莲花党 (Lotus Party) 🌸 | To | Debating the OOC: CP Update (Draft/Discussion) |
| Message | My suggestion: » Indralan/Ethnic Indralan (Han Chinese) - 90% (~90 million) » Dinh (Vietnamese) - 3% (~3 million) » Bianjie (Manchu) - 2% (~2 million) » Phra (Thai) - 1.1% (~1.1 million) » (Zhuang) - 1% (~1 million) » 'Erlawa' (Bamar)- 1% (~1 million) » Kyo (Korean) - 0.39% (~400 thousand) » Utari (Ainu) - 0.31% (~ 310 thousand) » Kunihata (Japanese) - 0.10% (~100 thousand) » Other - 1% (~1 million) |
| Date | 13:48:28, September 15, 2017 CET | From | 國民黨 (Nationalist Party) | To | Debating the OOC: CP Update (Draft/Discussion) |
| Message | Okay, I'm reluctant to go down into fractions of percentages so I'll add a comment on the 'Other' sections which highlights those groups. |
| Date | 20:46:26, September 29, 2017 CET | From | 國民黨 (Nationalist Party) | To | Debating the OOC: CP Update (Draft/Discussion) |
| Message | Any final comments before I move to vote? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 668 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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