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Bill: OOC: Cultural Protocol Debate
Details
Submitted by[?]: Partia e Reformës (PR/KM/RP)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 4445
Description[?]:
| This thread can be used to bring up points regarding the establishment of a new CP. Anyone can give ideas. This will be an OOC thread. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:57:43, January 19, 2018 CET | From | Partia e Reformës (PR/KM/RP) | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocol Debate |
| Message | Just to start everything off, here is an altered ethnicity list I did. Sessoldians are Pontic Greek (variant of Greek with a bit more of a Turkish influence I think). They are the main ethnicity in Seshold - just as the Siphinans are the main ethnicity in Siphina. ETHNICITY Kalopian (Greek): 51% - Kalopian Proper: 37% - Sessoldian: 14% (Felt these were reasonable numbers for the circumstances. 14% (all of whom are located in Seshold) is a majority in their Region so that feels about right in my opinion) Siphinan (Albanian): 16% (increase because of favourable conditions under the Reform Party's "rule".) Majatran (Arab): 13% (Slight decrease because they were initially attacked by the Reform Party - not any more. Also worse off due to economic sanctions that may not have effected the more wealthy Kalopian middle class as much.) - Wantuni Majatran: 11% - Other Majatran: 2% Turjak (Turk): 10% (Increase due to Homeland Party revival, and increased interest in political foreground) - Kalopian Turjak: 9% - Jakanian Turjak: 1% Istochniak (Bosniak): 5% (Very slight increase because they have sort of received the same benefits as the Siphinans.) Arbanian (Aromanian): 2% Istalian (Italian): 1% Other: 2% (Pretty much small mix of Deltarian, Solentian, and Kafuristani) |
| Date | 23:04:59, January 19, 2018 CET | From | Partia e Reformës (PR/KM/RP) | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocol Debate |
| Message | Religions that Siphinans practice would - in my opinion - rise slightly for the same reasons stated above. Also there has been a larger interest in Hosianism, so that would see it jump a bit as well. RELIGION Ahmadi (Muslim): 66% * Israi (Sunni): 33% * Halawi (Alevi/Alawite): 25% * Zahiri (Druze): 5% * Abadi (Shi'a): 3% Hosian (Christian): 26% * Aurorian Patriarchal (Roman Catholic): 16% * Terran Patriarchal (Russian Orthodox with Slavic mythology): 7% * Apostolic Church of the East (Oriental Orthodox): 3% Irreligious: 6% Other: 2% |
| Date | 00:30:42, January 20, 2018 CET | From | Vatan Partisi | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocol Debate |
| Message | I have no objections here. Unless there's a chance the Turjak percentage can rise a tiny bit further (11-12%)? I mean, Vatan is supposed to be a Turjak nationalist party, and it's a little strange that it then gets 20%+ of the vote, if the Turjak population is less than half of that. And if party sizes can OOC determine the national flag through an IC referendum, then surely they can to a lesser extent also OOC influence the IC national census. I'd greatly appreciate such a change, but I'll still support your proposal, regardless of an increase. That being said, perhaps it's time for a stylistic change, too? Something like the Jakanian protocols (http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=509429) would look much neater and more orderly. For the sub-groups (Sunni, Alevi etc.), I think actual bullet points (•) would look better than asterisks. Maybe even embolden the headlines rather than having them be all-caps, like here: http://classic.particracy.net/vieworganization.php?organizationid=4076 |
| Date | 00:47:38, January 20, 2018 CET | From | Partia e Reformës (PR/KM/RP) | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocol Debate |
| Message | Yeah, it will all be cleaned up when it is put into its full final version. I get what you mean by trying to give Turjaks a further increase. I can probably give it an extra percent (Turjak: 11% - Kalopian Turjak: 10% - Jakanian Turjak: 1%) and just not increase the Istochniak population which would instead remain at 4%. That's about as far as it can go though because I do want to keep it a majority Kalopian nation. Partly because Greece is what Kalopia is based upon, but partly because so many players role play as minority nationalist parties (like the Homeland Party, or even to some extent the Reform Party with the Siphinans). By having the majority as Kalopian it just prevents any player going over the top and over stating that one minority has a significantly larger populace than another. I have also asked one of the more experienced players to have a check, so I'll see what he says about it. |
| Date | 03:18:15, January 20, 2018 CET | From | Vatan Partisi | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocol Debate |
| Message | I definitely agree with your reasoning, and on having 50% as a minimum level for the Kalopian ethnic group -- they are, after all, the main symbolic natives of the country. Also, 11% for Turjaks would be great, thanks. :) |
| Date | 16:50:44, January 20, 2018 CET | From | Partia ultra nacionaliste e Kalopisë | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocol Debate |
| Message | I support this. |
| Date | 21:25:32, January 20, 2018 CET | From | Partia e Reformës (PR/KM/RP) | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocol Debate |
| Message | Ok. So I have been talking with another player and he suggested this: --ETHNICITY-- » Kalopian (Greek)- 55% » Majatran (Arab)- 14% » Siphinan (Albanian)- 14% » Istochniak (Bosniak)- 6% » Turjak (Turk)- 5% » Arbanian (Aromanian)- 2% » Other- 4% --RELIGION-- » Ahmadism (Islam)- 64% -- Israism (Sunni)- 35% -- Halawi (Alevism/Alawite)- 20% -- Zahiri (Druze)- 5% -- Abadi (Shia)- 4% Hosianism (Christianity)- 25% -- Aurorian Patriarchal Church (Roman Catholicism)- 15% -- Terran Patriarchal Church (Russian Orthodox with Slavic mythology)- 7% -- Apostolic Church of the East (Oriental Orthodox)- 3% Irreligious- 7% Other- 4% Since the religious percentages are effectively the same, I'll go ahead with the one I proposed as it is based upon several ethnic factors that I put in that he didn't. Obviously there is some slight variation in his version regarding the Turjak population. He has put the number down three, whilst we have put the number up three. He has also given a larger Kalopian percentage. My thinking is that whilst I would support an increase in the Turjak population for the reasons Gozo has provided, I feel I just have to slightly put it down a little as a sort of in between position. But I think that if any of us are still here in two-three months then perhaps we can look at further raising up the Turjak population. » Kalopian (Greek)- 53% -- Kalopian Proper- 39% -- Sessoldian- 14% » Siphinan (Albanian)- 15% » Majatran (Arab)- 13% -- Wantuni- 11% --Other- 2% » Turjak (Turk)- 9% -- Kalopian Turjak- 8% -- Jakanian Turjak- 1% » Istochniak (Bosniak)- 5% » Arbanian (Aromanian)- 2% » Other- 3% |
| Date | 15:06:59, January 21, 2018 CET | From | Vatan Partisi | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocol Debate |
| Message | Another player? And who is this? Anyone not currently playing in Kalopia should not be given influence on its cultural protocols. I have played in Kalopia on and off since 2011, so don't come and tell me that this other guy should get a say over us just because he's "experienced". All 3 parties in this country agreed to your first draft, so what's the point of spoiling that rare consensus by introducing this terrible last proposal? We negotiated our way towards an agreement, and then this comes out of the blue? That's the worst negotiating strategy I think I've ever seen. I will absolutely not support your last proposal, but I will back the one that we all agreed on to begin with, and urge you to snap out of whatever made you even think that your last proposal would be a good idea. |
| Date | 17:23:10, January 21, 2018 CET | From | Partia e Reformës (PR/KM/RP) | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocol Debate |
| Message | I mean, it isn't like it's completely out of the blue. I have mentioned it several times. And the player I asked is a Wiki Admin, and former Moderator, so I would say that he knows his stuff. But you make a very fair point. If it is the only way to go ahead with a new CP then sure I'm fine either way. |
| Date | 18:46:28, January 21, 2018 CET | From | Vatan Partisi | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocol Debate |
| Message | His position as a former Moderator is irrelevant, as it gives him no authority over current Kalopian gameplay. The version he came up with is based on nothing but his personal opinion, and since he's not a player here, that does not matter whatsoever. But good, then I suggest we begin the work on the final bill -- in the form that all parties agreed on, before this last derailment. |
| Date | 18:47:24, January 21, 2018 CET | From | Vatan Partisi | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocol Debate |
| Message | Let me also repeat my call for a stylistic change. I don't understand how using two hyphens is better than just using an em dash, for example. |
| Date | 19:15:53, August 25, 2018 CET | From |  Moderation | To | Debating the OOC: Cultural Protocol Debate |
| Message | OOC: ARCHIVING. Votes don't mean anything! |
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