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Bill: New Kalistan protest
Details
Submitted by[?]: Kalistan National Front
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 4343
Description[?]:
| Banned terror group new Kalistan have decided to rally in Dahreil, Ananto to show support for the devestating attacks that have gripped the nation recently and to encourage new members to carry out attacks. Unfortunately the rally is predicted to be a success and many are intending to show up. So, in reaction to this we are considering authorising troops and police to detain terrorist supporters (many of whom are members of new Kalistan) and put them on trial. They are planning the rally for a week today and could use violence. If passed this bill would give authorities permission to break up any violent and dangerous new Kalistan protests in the future (including the one mentioned.) THIS WILL NOT PERMIT ANYONE TO BREAK UP ANY OTHER PARTY’S PROTESTS. Please note that the law allows us to break up protests if they are deemed dangerous, so strictly speaking we do not need to consult parliament but it would show unity in the face of evil if we did. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:02:45, February 02, 2018 CET | From | National Conservative Party | To | Debating the New Kalistan protest |
| Message | Absolutely not! If they protest peacefully, then they are PROTECTED BY OUR CONSTITUTION. If they begin rioting and inciting violence, then yes. These are human beings and can't be punished for their beliefs no matter how deplorable they may be. |
| Date | 17:11:06, February 02, 2018 CET | From | Kalistan National Front | To | Debating the New Kalistan protest |
| Message | Please remember that they are members of an illegal group! They are spouting support of VIOLENCE and HATE. That may as well be as bad as commiting the act itself. However the courts would not punish the protestors on their beliefs, but rather the fact they SUPPORT AND ARE MEMBERS OF A BANNED TERRORIST GROUP! |
| Date | 17:42:52, February 02, 2018 CET | From | Liberal Party of the URK (LURK) | To | Debating the New Kalistan protest |
| Message | Will will give this bill an affirmative ballot. They are part of a criminal organization that's associated with violence. Under any other circumstances, we would say no to this; but in this instance, the KNF has our vote. |
| Date | 19:07:49, February 02, 2018 CET | From | National Conservative Party | To | Debating the New Kalistan protest |
| Message | It doesn't matter if they're criminals or terrorists, they're still human beings who deserve HUMAN RIGHTS which we have promised to ALL of our citizens. I'd like to ask you to also stop putting us in these difficult positions in which we could either defend human rights while defending scumbags or allow human rights to be trampled in the process of punishing terrorists. |
| Date | 19:10:02, February 02, 2018 CET | From | National Conservative Party | To | Debating the New Kalistan protest |
| Message | All we're asking is to not crack down on protests, but to arrest known members of New Kalistan. We can't just assume that all of these protesters are terrorists rather than the uneducated, misguided, and brainwashed citizens they likely are. |
| Date | 20:07:02, February 02, 2018 CET | From | Kalistan National Front | To | Debating the New Kalistan protest |
| Message | We are not cracking down on human rights, we are cracking down on a dangerous organisation that hates the constitution, the rule of law and more. Yes we need to be the better people in this equation but we wouldn’t let foreign soldiers come onto our streets without a fight. So why should we do the same for these people? The NCP’s position makes no sense. We beg them to re evaluate the situation. This protest is just days away and we want permission from the assembly. Of course we do not need it and can act without the legislature but we do not want to do this. These are not innocent people, they are not simply deluded. They are dangerous and viscous terrorists who will be stamping on our flag and recruiting at this protest, we can not simply stand by and do nothing!!! |
| Date | 22:55:27, February 02, 2018 CET | From | National Conservative Party | To | Debating the New Kalistan protest |
| Message | What do you mean you don't need the support of the legislature? It sounds a bit like the NUP... But although this bill is illegal, we will retract our opposition rather than continue our defense of freedom. |
| Date | 00:25:36, February 03, 2018 CET | From | Progress Party—The Greens | To | Debating the New Kalistan protest |
| Message | We resolutely oppose this proposal. The right to protest is fundamental to the functioning of a democratic nation and is enshrined in our constitional law. Merely fearing violence will erupt is not adequate justification for limiting our citizens’ right to protest. A more appropriate response would be to increase police presence at the protests to ensure the safety of the protesters, counter protesters, and any other individuals presents, and intervene and prevent illegal activities from occurring during the protest. We also fear the provisions of this bill that allow for the suppression of future protests and worry that these could be used to snuff out opposition protests and limit Kalistani citizens’ constitutional right to assemble. Quite frankly, it seems to us that the KNF government is taking advantage of this horrific national tragedy and advancing policies in the name of public safety that limit our citizens’ civil liberties and threaten the rule of law. We hope we are wrong, but the legislation put forth seems increasingly authoritarian and has high potential to be abused, if not by the KNF government, then by a future administration. Rather than picking between public safety and civil liberties, we stand up and say that we choose both. They are not mutually exclusive, and we are overwhelming opposed to the KNF’s seeming attempts to needlessly sacrifice civil liberties for security when there are options that preserve both. — Joseph Nguyen, Leader of the Opposition. |
| Date | 01:13:09, February 03, 2018 CET | From | Kalistan National Front | To | Debating the New Kalistan protest |
| Message | We are outraged that the progress party are suggesting we are trying to take advantage of the situation! These events are happenig under my administration! It is my administration’s responsibility to act and to rectify these mistakes! We are simply trying to stop a dangerous group that is renowned for violence and crime rallying in our cities. These people are members of the banned group so we can indeed act without the legislature and arrest them NOT because they are protesting but because they are members of a banned group! We don’t need the legislature to tell the police that they can do their basic job! But we can ask the legislature for advice. This is what we are doing. My party will never I repeat never crack down on people’s rights to free speech. HOWEVER we will crack down on people’s will, illegal will may I add, to be terrorists. |
| Date | 01:22:41, February 03, 2018 CET | From | Kalistan National Front | To | Debating the New Kalistan protest |
| Message | It’s important to remember also that the government won’t be rounding up everyone at the event, only those who are banging the drum in support for attacks and encouraging people to committ terrorist acts themselves. As well as members of a banned group. This would be the same for anyone who poses a risk and supports a banned group. We would certainly support the detention of some of our members if they were violating the law. |
| Date | 14:01:59, February 03, 2018 CET | From | National Conservative Party | To | Debating the New Kalistan protest |
| Message | We agree with the PP-G, military and police should be committed to these protest and given orders to only detained KNOWN New Kalistan members rather than retain anyone who chooses to support them. How could we possibly know if they're members of the group or just misguided citizens that think these sick acts are rightly done or a joke? |
| Date | 15:30:53, February 03, 2018 CET | From | Kalistan National Front | To | Debating the New Kalistan protest |
| Message | Look, I can’t fully answer the question. I won’t try to. But I do believe that as a nation we are in a state of war and these people are going to commit horrible crimes whether we like it or not. Even if this bill is voted down, which it looks like it could be we will look to arrest known new Kalistan members but will no longer try to halt the protest. |
| Date | 16:56:01, February 03, 2018 CET | From | National Conservative Party | To | Debating the New Kalistan protest |
| Message | We do not wish you to halt the hunt of New Kalistan, quite the opposite actuality, we just don't want the rights of our own loyal citizens to be caught in the crossfire. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 315 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 303 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 132 |
| Random fact: "Kubrk" is a Jelbic word that has the colloquial meaning "old man" or "geezer". |
| Random quote: "Politics have no relation to morals." - Niccolo Machiavelli |