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Bill: Incorporacion de La Iglesia Egeliana
Details
Submitted by[?]: La Falange Egeliana
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 4350
Description[?]:
| Una proposal fusionar e incorporar la iglesia y el estado. A proposal to merge and incorporate the Church (Aurorian Patriarchal Church) and the State. This proposal would establish the Church of Egelion as the national church of the Egelian and Caillean people and as the state church of Egelion. It would further establish the Church of Egelion as a 'particular church' in full communion with the worldwide Aurorian Patriarchal Church but self governing within the Republic of Egelion and established Egelian communities in the Egelian Diaspora. This proposal would also urge El Parlamento to consider an international treaty granting established Egelian communities recognition by foreign governments as formally part of the Egelian Diaspora and granting of autonomy within religious affairs related to the Church of Egelion. **Minority citizens of Egelion, when abroad, shall for all purposes be considered members of the Egelion diaspora and therefore seek asylum and sanctuary in the Church of Egelion abroad**. Regarding Article 1, blasphemy shall be defined as denying the existence of God while physically in public or made over a medium to which such denial of existence may be received by the public (online, by television). The statement must be made to the public. For example, two persons speaking with each other in a public park in which one persons states they do not believe in God would not be an offense. If a man were to stand in a public park and state "God does not exist" to no one in particular, that would be an offense. Regarding Article 2, foreign missionaries may only be received by and for the Aurorian Patriarchal Church and the Bishopal Church of Egelion. Once approved, their travel is free. Foreign missionaries of other churches or religions is prohibited. Regarding Article 3, the Holy Synod of the Church of Egelion shall be established. It shall consist of an Upper House comprised of Bishops and a Lower House comprised of party appointees appointed in accordance with their party's most recent electoral success. The Upper House shall have 55 bishops. There shall be 1 Archbishop for every province as an Archdiocese and each province shall have 10 dioceses headed by 10 Bishops. The Lower House shall comprise of 55 laymen. These laymen shall include the Head of State, the Prime Minister, and the 12 ministers of the cabinet. The remaining 41 members shall be appointed by party leaders in accordance with each party's most recent electoral success, to include the the party leader's themselves as one seat. In the event that the Patriarch or one of the five Archbishops dies or resigns, the Holy Synod shall appoint the vacancy. In all other cases, the Upper House of the Holy Synod shall be left to its own affairs to govern the Church. Regarding Article 4, the Church of Egelion shall not be taxed. All other religions shall be treated as companies with charitable donations not taxed. Regarding Article 5, only the Church of Egelion may set up and operate religious schools. Because the matter of schools is a mixed matter not only pertaining to the Church, religious schools shall be under the authority of both the Upper House and Lower House of the Holy Synod. Regarding Article 6, only ministers of the Church of Egelion shall be supported by the government. Regarding Article 8, the Church of Egelion shall be the national church of the Egelion and Caillean people and the state church of Egelion. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change State penalties for blasphemy
Old value:: No state penalties are issued for blasphemy.
Current: No state penalties are issued for blasphemy.
Proposed: Public blasphemy is considered a criminal offense.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning the visitation of foreign missionaries.
Old value:: The government requires foreign missionaries to register with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
Current: The government requires foreign missionaries to register with the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
Proposed: The government selectively screens which religions are permitted to send missionaries to the nation. Certain religions are approved and travel is unregulated.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The state's intervention in the appointment of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The state does not intervene in the appointment of ministers of any religion whatsoever.
Current: The state has the right to veto the appointment of any ministers of religion.
Proposed: The state appoints the head and ministers of the state religion, but does not intervene otherwise.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change
Taxation of religious institutions.
Old value:: Religions are treated as companies, and all profit is taxed, however, charitable donations are not taxed.
Current: Religions are treated as companies, and all profit is taxed, however, charitable donations are not taxed.
Proposed: Recognized religions are not taxed.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The governments stance on religious schools.
Old value:: Religious schools are not allowed.
Current: Religious schools are allowed, but are strictly regulated. Only recognised religions may set up religious schools.
Proposed: Religious schools are allowed, but are strictly regulated. Only recognised religions may set up religious schools.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change Remuneration of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Current: Ministers of religion shall receive no remuneration whatsoever.
Proposed: The salaries and pensions of ministers of religions shall be regulated by the law, but shall be borne by the religious communities themselves.
Article 7
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to prayer in schools.
Old value:: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden.
Current: The government leaves this decision up to the schools themselves.
Proposed: The government leaves this decision up to the schools themselves.
Article 8
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning religions.
Old value:: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Current: There is no official state religion, but the government only allows recognized religions. 'Cults' are persecuted.
Proposed: There is an official state religion, but membership is completely voluntary.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 08:12:54, February 14, 2018 CET | From | La Falange Egeliana | To | Debating the Incorporacion de La Iglesia Egeliana |
| Message | It is the sincerest objective of the Falangists to see this bill successful. We are more than willing to negotiate and will not proceed this bill to vote until we have built a majority consensus. Hopefully, the Church of Egelion will not only be formalized by our own national legislature, but, afterwards by international treaty and will be a focal point of our national pride. |
| Date | 10:41:55, February 14, 2018 CET | From | Partido Comunista de Egelion | To | Debating the Incorporacion de La Iglesia Egeliana |
| Message | This is an unprecedented tyranny and a serious attack at the idea of separation between church state. we vote no |
| Date | 19:41:43, February 14, 2018 CET | From | Encuadramiento Legionario | To | Debating the Incorporacion de La Iglesia Egeliana |
| Message | If you change the Article n.5 to "There are no laws regulating the wearing of religious clothing and the wearing of religious symbols.", we will vote YES. |
| Date | 20:14:58, February 14, 2018 CET | From | La Falange Egeliana | To | Debating the Incorporacion de La Iglesia Egeliana |
| Message | Alright, we will remove Article 5. |
| Date | 22:59:54, February 15, 2018 CET | From | La Falange Egeliana | To | Debating the Incorporacion de La Iglesia Egeliana |
| Message | Article 5 was removed. |
| Date | 06:09:19, February 16, 2018 CET | From | La Falange Egeliana | To | Debating the Incorporacion de La Iglesia Egeliana |
| Message | Because of the currently political instability, we move to vote. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 72 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 86 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 63 |
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