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Bill: Civil reform act

Details

Submitted by[?]: Ultrackian Communist Party

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: November 4412

Description[?]:

We shall reform

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date17:59:20, June 21, 2018 CET
FromFederal Heritage Party of Hutori
ToDebating the Civil reform act
MessageOOC: Please no omnibus bills. It doesn't foster good RP, player relations and it doesn't benefit anyone except maybe the one proposing it.

Date18:17:09, June 21, 2018 CET
FromNew Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the Civil reform act
MessageOOC: I'm okay with omnibus bills. I think it adds colour to the game and forces hard (and fun) choices. Do I vote for this bill knowing that it will allow bestiality? Or do I vote against it knowing that will mean my party is on the record voting against free higher education and a national system of libraries?! I think it is great fun!

Date18:21:34, June 21, 2018 CET
FromUltrackian Communist Party
ToDebating the Civil reform act
MessageOOC: that’s why I am proposing it, it helps me and it’s easier to do than 12 normal bills. Why do you care so much about RP, in my mind RP is a secondary aspect to the game that you can manipulate to get what you want, the main game being a political simulator

Date18:26:16, June 21, 2018 CET
FromFederal Heritage Party of Hutori
ToDebating the Civil reform act
MessageOOC: As a general rule, omnibus bills are frowned upon. Unless you're a new party trying to establish an agenda.

Date18:34:28, June 21, 2018 CET
FromFederal Heritage Party of Hutori
ToDebating the Civil reform act
MessageOOC: Yeah I am very well aware as to why you're proposing the bill. It also doesn't really help you that much, because bills that don't pass don't help you that much and at times can actually hurt your party.

This game is actually very bare bones without debate and RP. So to make things more enjoyable many of us long time players engage in very active RP.

Date02:27:41, June 22, 2018 CET
From Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the Civil reform act
MessageOOC: as a general rule, especially here in Hutori, unless its marked a s a visibility bill, Omnibus Bills are always frowned upon by the community... mostly because of the stigma of being forced to vote against something we might agree with and its seen as a stealth legislation or rider.


Date01:58:37, June 23, 2018 CET
FromNew Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the Civil reform act
MessageOOC: Relatively new here - isn't that part of the fun? Politics isn't pure. All the single action bills that are filed have just given more votes to certain parties. Since I've been here, every party has been part of government at least once except for USPH because none of the rest of us vote for that person's agenda. How is the USPH ever supposed to get into government unless they force people to take votes that could hurt them electorally?

I get why people don't like omnibus bills, but I see no reason why a player who (for RP purposes picks an unpopular manifesto and thus) never gets into government shouldn't introduce omnibus bills if it'll help him/her/them win elections and make policy.


Date02:05:30, June 23, 2018 CET
From Liberal Party of Hutori
ToDebating the Civil reform act
MessageOOC: Its a long tradition when Omnibus Bill's were commonplace... it's because of the bare bones we couldn't add in RP regulation so certain Bill's were easier to swallow. When you introduce an Omnibus like this without RP regulations and riders the Bill's become blanket and have backlash from the ruling government and most other parties

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
  

Total Seats: 106

no
    

Total Seats: 256

abstain
  

Total Seats: 43


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