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Bill: The Returning Sanity to the Presidium Bill

Details

Submitted by[?]: Progressive Socialist Party

Status[?]: passed

Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: April 4429

Description[?]:

The amount of bills that are being proposed as of late, especially with the increase in parties, is no longer viable. The Presidium is stretched and the amount reduces the quality of debate, and is detrimental to our democracy.

OOC: The amount of bills is really getting too much, and is becoming more than a hassle. I, and I think some of you as well, want to keep enjoying this game, and therefore we need to cut back a bit on the amount of bills a party can propose. Furthermore, and I will say it here again, there needs to be some time for debate. So at least 3 in game months (12 hours RL) is not too much to ask.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date19:25:09, July 22, 2018 CET
FromConservative Democratic Union Lodamun
ToDebating the The Returning Sanity to the Presidium Bill
MessageMr Speaker,

The CDUL supports these proposals

Viktor Udinic MP for Internal Affairs
Conservative Democratic Union Lodamun

Date20:04:04, July 22, 2018 CET
FromRepublican Party
ToDebating the The Returning Sanity to the Presidium Bill
MessageMr Speaker,

We have just had a change of government, this would appear an attempt to slow the rate of change by one of the losing parties. We oppose this sour grapes.

Francis Young
Republican leader

Date20:59:30, July 22, 2018 CET
FromProgressive Socialist Party
ToDebating the The Returning Sanity to the Presidium Bill
MessageMr. Speaker,

This has nothing to do with slowing down for the sake of partisanship, but purely for the workability of the Presidium.

James McAvoy
PSP Parliamentary leader

OOC: Like I mentioned, I honestly have difficulty keeping up with all the current proposals, and it is taking the fun out of the game. So I hope you will reconsider.

Date21:34:40, July 22, 2018 CET
FromSecular Humanist Party
ToDebating the The Returning Sanity to the Presidium Bill
MessageMr. Speaker,

We wholeheartedly agree with this proposal, it is a very necessary change.

Alexander Prince

OOC: We really, really, really need this. It is also more interesting to see what proposals will be proposed if people have to be more conservative with the amount of proposals.

Date23:01:52, July 22, 2018 CET
FromRepublican Party
ToDebating the The Returning Sanity to the Presidium Bill
MessageMr Speaker,

The Presidium seems to be working fine. However if the PSP are in government after the next election then we will reconsider.

Francis Young
Republican Leader

Ooc: It really isn't that difficult to keep up is it? Are you genuinely saying that having less to vote on is more fun?

Date01:13:40, July 23, 2018 CET
FromLodamun Labour Party
ToDebating the The Returning Sanity to the Presidium Bill
MessageOOC: Perhaps we should work more with RP bills. It gives more depth to our laws and doesn't constantly bring changes.

Date03:02:23, July 23, 2018 CET
FromLodamese Democratic Progressive Party
ToDebating the The Returning Sanity to the Presidium Bill
MessageOOC: I don't think anyone is saying it's more fun to have less to vote on, just that the amount of proposals being debated and voted on all at once recently is becoming too much. I can't say I disagree; I like that things are active, but it is starting to get a little out of hand and hard to keep up with when there's 10-20 bills being debated/voted on at a time, some with many proposals on them and even a few that are too similar to other bills on the floor.

I think the amount proposed in this bill is a good compromise. Back before the current law, both these quotas were actually less than the proposed change (the party quote per year was 6 and max accumulative proposal quote was 12) and things back then would still be fun and active at times. Yes this proposed change will limit the proposals some and how much change would happen all at once, but I believe it's a more manageable amount. It's still quite a bit of proposals so I don't think it would really make things any less fun.

Date10:19:25, July 23, 2018 CET
FromLiberal Progressives
ToDebating the The Returning Sanity to the Presidium Bill
MessageOOC: I must agree with this bill, because of the amount of bills currently up for debate/vote, I find myself missing the time to process them all and find time for my own proposals. This way, I am merely responding to what others say and harldy doing anything myself. This is fine for a bit, but gets annoying real fast. Another reason for this is overcrowding. Currently, Lodamun is the busiest of all countries with 9 parties. I think that, if we are to continue with this amount of parties, that's alright, but we should be able to all participate.

Date12:54:24, July 23, 2018 CET
FromProgressive Socialist Party
ToDebating the The Returning Sanity to the Presidium Bill
MessageMr. Speaker,

If all parties vote in support of this bill, including the other coalition parties, will the republicans not obstruct this much needed and wanted law change?

James McAvoy

Date13:00:09, July 23, 2018 CET
FromRepublican Party
ToDebating the The Returning Sanity to the Presidium Bill
MessageMr Speaker,

To block constitutional reform requires at least a third of the seats in the Presidium. As much as the Republicans would love to obstruct this, we can't. As per the debate above, we will happily support lowering the proposal quota once the PSP are in government again.

Francis Young
Republican Leader

Date13:24:38, July 23, 2018 CET
FromConservative Democratic Union Lodamun
ToDebating the The Returning Sanity to the Presidium Bill
MessageMr Speaker

The CDUL is happy that already so many parties agree with this proposal; however, at the same time these wishes are blatantly ignored. The presidium is flooded with yet another series of bills, without any coordination within the coaltion.

Futhermore, the manner in which debates are held by some is not something we can support.

Consequently, the CDUL has left the coalition.

Luca Brankic
Party leader CDUL

Date13:29:43, July 23, 2018 CET
FromRepublican Party
ToDebating the The Returning Sanity to the Presidium Bill
MessageMr Speaker,

It is sad the CDUL have decided to leave the coalition, they were a valued member and have helped transform this nation into the free market and socially conservative paradise it is today. If they had wanted to coordinate coalition activity all they had to do was say so. The Republican Party will continue to propose (or flood!) legislative changes, that's what we are all here to do and we will continue to observe a period of debate before putting measures to vote.

Francis Young
Leader of the Republican Party

Date17:29:03, July 23, 2018 CET
FromNational-Socialist Lodamun Workers Party
ToDebating the The Returning Sanity to the Presidium Bill
MessageOOC: I think less proposols will improve the role play as people will be forced to work together. We will support drops in the proposal amount until we think the desired result is reached.


Date13:00:57, July 24, 2018 CET
FromProgressive Socialist Party
ToDebating the The Returning Sanity to the Presidium Bill
MessageMr. Speaker,

Due to new elections we have to re-admit this bill to the floor. Hereby we do so.

James McAvoy
Parliamentary leader of the PSP

Date15:12:40, July 24, 2018 CET
FromRepublican Party
ToDebating the The Returning Sanity to the Presidium Bill
MessageMr Speaker,

The Republicans would now be happy to support, but worry that we might upset the SHP and CDUL with any display of inconsistency, therefore we will have to continue to oppose (not that it makes any differences!).

Regina Miller
Republican Leader

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
       

Total Seats: 476

no
 

Total Seats: 119

abstain

    Total Seats: 0


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