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Bill: Lex Victoria de Atrium
Details
Submitted by[?]: Clara Aurora - COSIRA
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 4468
Description[?]:
| All people have the right to a fair trial, and this can only be achieved through verdicts of people specialized in the subject who, through a healthy debate, manage to reach a consensus conclusion. To be carried away by sentimentality or influences of other people does not make a judgment neither more just nor more human, but it de-virtualizes its true function and does not make it anything more than a mere lynching. In relation to the law towards parliamentarians, we believe that, despite the fact that senators can count on impunity, if necessary in some situations (murder, robbery, extortion, etc.), the Senate can do, by a vote of 2 / 3, that the accused person loses his parliamentary immunity. Aufidia Victor Minister of Justice |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Jury selection (if trial by jury is allowed).
Old value:: Jurors are randomly selected from the population.
Current: Jurors are randomly selected from the population.
Proposed: Jurors are chosen among lawyers only.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Parliamentary privilege.
Old value:: Members of the legislature are exempted from any civil or criminal liability for their speech or actions related with the performance of their duties during their term of office.
Current: Members of the legislature are not exempt from any civil or criminal liability for their speech or actions during their term of office.
Proposed: Members of the legislature are exempted from any civil or criminal liability for their speech or actions, but this immunity can be overruled by a vote in the nation's legislative body.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 11:34:53, October 10, 2018 CET | From | Factio Republicana Socialistica | To | Debating the Lex Victoria de Atrium |
| Message | Senators, This is a profoundly undemocratic proposal. Nobody knows better how their lives should be run than the people themselves. In any political system the judicial system is dominated by elites, who will invariably skew justice towards elite interests. Law professionals can be and often are just as partisan and emotional as any jury. The difference is that law professionals represent elite rule, while trial by jury is a fundamental element in democratic governance. Caecilia Bousaid Senatrix |
| Date | 20:07:29, October 10, 2018 CET | From | Optimates | To | Debating the Lex Victoria de Atrium |
| Message | Optimates co-leader Septimus Sertorius Bruccius issued the following statement: "Every defendant should have the right to be tried in front of their peers. Needless to say, jurors chosen only among lawyers are not their peers: they belong to a distinct and separate class, and to expect lawyers to offer a fair hearing to others lawyers would be to expect the impossible. The legal community is a close-knit one, and as such any jury which consists solely of lawyers will always raise serious questions about prejudice and the validity of verdicts handed down by the jury". |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 421 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 329 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Treaties will be eligible for deletion if they are more than 50 in-game years old and have no currently ratified members. |
| Random quote: "The man who prefers his country before any other duty shows the same spirit as the man who surrenders every right to the state. They both deny that right is superior to authority." - John Dalberg-Acton |