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Bill: Common Sense Judicial Reforms
Details
Submitted by[?]: Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 4498
Description[?]:
| The Socialist Party calls on all Deputies to work with us to restore Kalistan's traditional stances on Immigration and police Searches. 1) We are a nation of immigrants. Suggesting that we should use the power of the State to search for immigrants and then utilize public money to operate what are detention centers by a different name ("integration centers" are merely detention camps unless the immigrants may come and go as they please, a position not suggested by the law), then we are doing our national heritage a complete disservice. 2) We also call for the end to radical police searches. The Socialist Party takes a strong libertarian stance on law enforcement: It should only be used when imminent threat to life and liberty is present. And then sparingly, unless it is a last resort. Therefore, we are interested in curtailing the power of the police as much as possible. We thank the LDP for bringing attention to these relics of Police Statist Government established a few decades ago, and believe now is the time to reconsider them. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's policy on the separation of the police and the military.
Old value:: A civilian police force is in place and the military may be called in to help in serious emergencies.
Current: A civilian police force is in place and the military is not allowed to play any part in it.
Proposed: A civilian police force is in place and the military is not allowed to play any part in it.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy towards police presence.
Old value:: The police patrol public property at all times.
Current: The police do not actively patrol public property.
Proposed: The police do not actively patrol public property.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Police searches.
Old value:: The police cannot search a person or their property without their consent unless the police have obtained a warrant from a court or have reasonable grounds to suspect that a crime was committed.
Current: The police cannot search a person or their property without their consent unless the police have obtained a warrant from a court.
Proposed: The police cannot search a person or their property without their consent unless the police have obtained a warrant from a court.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 06:47:05, December 10, 2018 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Common Sense Judicial Reforms |
| Message | We will leave this bill open for debate and discussion. |
| Date | 08:54:18, December 10, 2018 CET | From | United Kalistani Worker’s Front | To | Debating the Common Sense Judicial Reforms |
| Message | We will approve this. |
| Date | 12:31:34, December 10, 2018 CET | From | National Conservative Party | To | Debating the Common Sense Judicial Reforms |
| Message | We disagree with articles 1 and 2. The first action committed by illegal immigrants when they come into our country is to break the law by not going through the system we have in place to weed out criminals, it's foolish ignore them and to allow them to live within the state when it's possible that one of them could be a Baltusian drug lord. Ignoring illegal immigrants would undermine our border checks, laws, and national security. As for article 2, this would increase the destruction of national emergencies, as it would decrease the the amount of people who could alleviate them. Meredith Abrahams (NCP - Odufaray) Leader of the NCP Minority |
| Date | 14:21:32, December 10, 2018 CET | From | Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) | To | Debating the Common Sense Judicial Reforms |
| Message | Articles 1 and 3 are quite troubling,We shall not support this illogical proposal |
| Date | 15:01:50, December 10, 2018 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Common Sense Judicial Reforms |
| Message | To our Comrade, Abrahams, With respect, the term "illegal immigrant" is a red herring. There is no such thing as an "illegal" immigrant as all people are allowed to reside here legally. Painting foreigners as first, criminals, is quite frankly a scare tactic designed to whip folks into a Nativist frenzy. But to be fair, our goal with this legislation is to create an environment where Nativist Frenzies are not possible because nobody maintains that citizenship in Kalistan is like some sort of lottery to win. More broadly speaking, the Socialist Party takes a catholic approach to citizenship. Our goal is to make Kalistani citizens of the entire population of the planet. All are welcomed here, without harassment or discrimination. Because our ancestors were from across the face of our planet, no one group has a monopoly on the tile "Kalistani". Should social services extend to Kalistanis living in other nations then? Of course not. You must be a resident of Kalistan to claim those service. But we don't aim to discriminate, so we welcome all. As for Article 2, the mission of the police force and the military are fundamentally different. We should in no way expect the military to enforce the law than we should expect the police force to be in any way competent in maneuver and live fire necessary, as a minimum to adequately defend the Republic. The military is trained to kill, not negotiate. If you want more police during times of emergency, there is no law against deputizing the militia. As a matter of compromise, would our comrades in the NCP consider voting for the bill if we removed Article 1 and reintroduced it as its own bill, leaving this bill as current Articles 2, 3 and 4? - John Henry Bennots, Speaker of the SPoK |
| Date | 16:16:46, December 10, 2018 CET | From | United Kalistani Worker’s Front | To | Debating the Common Sense Judicial Reforms |
| Message | And, once more, the champions of Liberty prove hypocritical. |
| Date | 16:22:53, December 10, 2018 CET | From | Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) | To | Debating the Common Sense Judicial Reforms |
| Message | “Consultations with our Party members have resulted in the decision of supporting this bill should article 1 be removed” -Liberal Democratic Party Chairman Ceaser Furhat |
| Date | 17:02:09, December 10, 2018 CET | From | National Conservative Party | To | Debating the Common Sense Judicial Reforms |
| Message | We'd support this bill if article 1 were removed and introduced in another. |
| Date | 17:58:56, December 10, 2018 CET | From | Socialist Party of Kalistan (SPoK) | To | Debating the Common Sense Judicial Reforms |
| Message | We have made the amendment. We hope this is an acceptable compromise. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 250 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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