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Bill: Bill LIB (REP) - 5: State Legal Representation Act of 4556
Details
Submitted by[?]: Liberal Party of Hutori
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 4557
Description[?]:
| A bill to make better use of taxpayer funding, while still providing legal services to those in need Section I: Defendants are eligible for subsidised legal services under the following circumstances I - A: A low income earner is defined as an individual who's total income for one year is equal to or less than 25,000 HLR, and shall receive all legal services for free I - B: Income earners between 25,000 HLR and 50,000HLR per year, shall receive partially paid legal services, where the Ministry of Justice shall cover 50% of the legal fees I - C: Income earners between 50,000 HLR and 75,000HLR per year, shall receive partially paid legal services, where the Ministry of Justice shall cover 25% of the legal fees I - D: Income earners above 75,000 HLR per year, are not eligible for legal assistance, however may opt for a payment plan with the Ministry of Finance tax office I - F: All legal fees, where a public defendant is chosen, not covered under the State Legal Representation Act, may be eligible for payment plans under the Ministry of Finance Tax Office. Section II: This act does not remove the right for individuals to seek private representation, however such representation shall be of an individuals own discretion, and shall not paid for under the State Legal Representation Act |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government provision of legal aid to the accused.
Old value:: Legal representation for defendants in criminal trials is paid for by the state.
Current: Legal representation for defendants in criminal trials is paid for by the state for defendants with low incomes.
Proposed: Legal representation for defendants in criminal trials is paid for by the state for defendants with low incomes.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 06:47:34, April 06, 2019 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Bill LIB (REP) - 5: State Legal Representation Act of 4556 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, I move forward a bill which will further streamline government spending. This bill will ensure that low income earners are still eligible for free legal representation, meanwhile ending wasteful spending by covering legal representation for those who clearly have the means to pay. Furthermore, this will allow for a greater private legal sector, which has been proven to be cheaper, and often better performing, in comparison to the current state run system. Jessica Myer Minister for Justice Federal Leader of the Liberal Party |
| Date | 06:51:53, April 06, 2019 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Bill LIB (REP) - 5: State Legal Representation Act of 4556 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, I applaud the Honourable Minister for Justice, for this fine piece of legislation. My goal as Minister for Finance, is to lower taxes for all Hutorian families as much as possible. By ending wasteful spending, we can pass the savings onto Hutorian families, who can choose to spend their hard earned dollars wherever they like. Richard Scott Minister for Finance Senator for Acton Ports |
| Date | 07:38:33, April 06, 2019 CET | From | National Salvation Front (NSF) | To | Debating the Bill LIB (REP) - 5: State Legal Representation Act of 4556 |
| Message | Ooc: stole that proposal for NSF 10 |
| Date | 09:52:13, April 06, 2019 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Bill LIB (REP) - 5: State Legal Representation Act of 4556 |
| Message | OOC: Nothing was stolen... this is just part of my agenda |
| Date | 19:28:49, April 06, 2019 CET | From | National Progress Party | To | Debating the Bill LIB (REP) - 5: State Legal Representation Act of 4556 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, First of all, I must say that we higly disagree with the very morality of such bill. It doesn't matter if someone does have to money to pay for the representation. It is the state that prosecute the people therefore it should be the state that ensure that everyone has a free and fair trial. In other words, it is the state that create the problem therefore it should be the state that pay for the solution. If someone get wrongfully convicted of a crime, it will never be acceptable for them to have to pay for their own representation, now matter how rich they are. Furthermore, it see wto major problem with the way this bill was wirtten. First, this bill define who should get free representation and who shouldn't based on their salary. That system doesn't work because annual salary isn't necessary a good indicator of how rich someone is. For exemple, a retired millionaire could still have free legal representation because as a retired person, his annual salary would still be technically zero and below 25,000 HLR. Or someone who has a good salary might very well lose their job during the trial, which happen very often in case of criminall prosecusion, and then be unable to pay for their representation. Secondly, the other problem of that bill is that for people who make a salary between 25,000 HLR and 75,000 HLR, the state only covers a percentage of the legal fees. That system is broken because it emply that the individual would need to pay for legal representation in order to receive money. If let's someone who makes 26,000 HLR a year get to be prosectuded and can't pay for any legal representation at all, the shall receive nothing form the governement because 50% of nothing is stille nothing. -Owen Denoncourt Senator and former minister of Justice |
| Date | 23:14:55, April 06, 2019 CET | From | Hutori Party | To | Debating the Bill LIB (REP) - 5: State Legal Representation Act of 4556 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, I rise to point out 2 major flaws in what the Senator from the NPP just said. First he says "it is the state that create the problem therefore it should be the state that pay for the solution". This choice of words makes it sound as though the Senator claims that it is the state's fault when someone breaks the law. Second, he says that a retired millionaire would have no income. That is certainly not true. A retired millionaire would receive a pension, or multiple pensions because this country has a public pension plan. I just ask that the NPP Senators think before they speak. Hon. Mélina Giroux Senator for St Anslem Nicolet Leader of the Conservative Party of Hutori |
| Date | 00:47:57, April 07, 2019 CET | From | Liberal Party of Hutori | To | Debating the Bill LIB (REP) - 5: State Legal Representation Act of 4556 |
| Message | Mr Speaker Clearly the NNP Senator failed to read the bill, all payments can be deferred onto a payment plan, and still eligible for the discounts Richard Scott Senator for Acton Ports Minister for Finance |
| Date | 07:16:40, April 07, 2019 CET | From | National Progress Party | To | Debating the Bill LIB (REP) - 5: State Legal Representation Act of 4556 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I apologise I might have misunderstood some part of this bill. Indeed the minister of Finance is right that the payments can deferend onto payment plan. However, this doesn't change my main point that this bill is morally undefentable and a outrageous attack on the Right to a Fair Trial. Now to adress the comment from the senator from the RCP. First, she completly misunderstood my words, purposely or not. Of course it is not the state's fault when someone breaks the law. But, listen carefully because this the important part, not all people convicted of crime are guilty, this is why we have a justice system. If the governement wronfully prosecute someone than they have created a problem and it is the role of the government to pay for the solution of that very problem, therefore paying a free legal representation to everyone. Secondly I would like to point out that not every retired people automatically receive a pension but that doesn't change the point I was trying to convay. The annual salary of someone isn't a good indicator of how rich they are. People live trough different situation and have differenr things to pay and their annual salary is a flawed indicator of their own financial situation. I just ask that the RCP senators listen and try to understand what other people have to say before they start insulting other people's intellgience and implying that they didn't think before they speal. -Owen Denoncourt Senator and former minister of Justice |
| Date | 20:06:43, April 07, 2019 CET | From | National Salvation Front (NSF) | To | Debating the Bill LIB (REP) - 5: State Legal Representation Act of 4556 |
| Message | OOC: so TL'dr why not mkae govpay for all mistrials, and pay for the defense of those who have a net worht below say 100,00 HRL? |
| Date | 00:55:12, April 08, 2019 CET | From | Hutori Party | To | Debating the Bill LIB (REP) - 5: State Legal Representation Act of 4556 |
| Message | Mr Speaker, I rise on a point of order. The member from the NPP has clearly misled the Senate with his last statement. He stated "I would like to point out that not every retired people automatically receive a pension". This statement is false as Hutori does have the Hutorian Pension Plan. It is disappointing that he would result to making false claims to argue his point and it is behaviour that is unfit for this place. Hon. Mélina Giroux Senator for St. Anselm Nicolet Leader of the Conservative Party of Hutori |
| Date | 08:05:01, April 08, 2019 CET | From | National Progress Party | To | Debating the Bill LIB (REP) - 5: State Legal Representation Act of 4556 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The RCPH 's attitude is utterly childish. The senator from St. Anselm Nicolet is avoiding the debate entirely and her inability to put on any kind of argument to respond to what I said is a clear proof of my previous point, that the morality of that bill is undefendable. -Owen Denoncourt Senator and former minister of Justice |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 119 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 72 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 14 |
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