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Bill: Private Healthcare Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Party for Capitalist Freedom
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 4566
Description[?]:
| Healthcare should be run by a more efficient private system, but funds should be given to those on the lowest incomes. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Health care policy.
Old value:: There is a free public health care system and a small number of private clinics, which are heavily regulated to ensure they treat their patients well and provide good care.
Current: There is a free public health care system and a small number of private clinics, which are heavily regulated to ensure they treat their patients well and provide good care.
Proposed: Health care is private, but is paid for by the state for people with low incomes.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:04:16, April 25, 2019 CET | From | Party for Capitalist Freedom | To | Debating the Private Healthcare Bill |
| Message | "Free" public healthcare is a myth, it is paid for through taxation, and so we end up with this monopoly in the healthcare sector, leading to the worst quality healthcare at high prices. The free market will lead to a better healthcare system |
| Date | 01:22:03, April 25, 2019 CET | From | United Kalistani Worker’s Front | To | Debating the Private Healthcare Bill |
| Message | Absolutely not. The UKWF will vehemently oppose any measure that negatively impacts the lives of the workers. |
| Date | 01:33:47, April 25, 2019 CET | From | National Conservative Party | To | Debating the Private Healthcare Bill |
| Message | Our vote will go to conserve the current healthcare system. The lives of our fellow Kalistanis are too important to put into the gamble of the market. I don't know where you gotten these facts from, our healthcare system is the envy of Seleya. Quality is high and, outside of taxes, price is nonexistant for medically necessary procedures, and it has been this way for decades. I don't know where you got your facts, but whatever publication gave them to you, they need to hire some new fact checkers, because we haven't heard about this "bad quality" and "high prices" until the PCF formed and proposed this bill. |
| Date | 01:44:37, April 25, 2019 CET | From | Party for Capitalist Freedom | To | Debating the Private Healthcare Bill |
| Message | The PCF of course understands the points previously made by the NCP, and congratulates our current healthcare system for their current work accordingly. But simply would like to add that it comes from a political position which is that the market can always provide better quality healthcare at lower prices, as it is in their interest as a business. There is nothing to stop us making a good system even better by introducing fair competition. |
| Date | 01:51:25, April 25, 2019 CET | From | Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) | To | Debating the Private Healthcare Bill |
| Message | The idea that our current system is so perfect is very debateble,plus we have went with the proposed system of the PCF many times previously (thanks to our party) and we have been quote efficient and successful plus we have saved our people billions in taxes. We support the proposition and the argument presented by the PCF 100% |
| Date | 01:55:09, April 25, 2019 CET | From | United Kalistani Worker’s Front | To | Debating the Private Healthcare Bill |
| Message | The UKWF will not be signing away the healthcare of Kalistani citizens to the lowest bidder. The LDP policies have crippled our economy and threw tens of thousands into poverty. Liberal economic policy can be summed up as “Sell the people to whoever will give us the most money”. |
| Date | 01:59:07, April 25, 2019 CET | From | National Conservative Party | To | Debating the Private Healthcare Bill |
| Message | We cannot really argue that quality will increase or decrease, that is an indeterminable variable in our eyes. Price, however, will assuredly rise. Private companies, healthcare providers included, exist to make profit, so their prices will inevitably be higher than a government run industry, because the government exists to serve the people not profit off of them, because those running the companies will wish to keep a comfortable profit margin. Prices can only increase from where we currently are if the same quality is maintained. We would like to thank the PCF for leaving this bill up for debate so that we could articulate our positions. |
| Date | 02:02:16, April 25, 2019 CET | From | National Conservative Party | To | Debating the Private Healthcare Bill |
| Message | LDP, It is nearly perfect. High quality, low prices. In the past, when the LDP had the healthcare system moved to the private sector, quality may have increased but tax cuts have been rarely present thus forcing the people to pay both billions in taxes and even more for paying for healthcare AND for the profit of owners. |
| Date | 02:04:31, April 25, 2019 CET | From | Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) | To | Debating the Private Healthcare Bill |
| Message | Prices may increase BUT when you provide the people to opportunity to keep their money instead of taking their hard-earned income from them they will be able to choose the plan that fits them and is best for their budget. All state healthcare does is,give you at the very best “exceptional” healthcare with double the price of what it is worth in taxes. |
| Date | 02:05:41, April 25, 2019 CET | From | Liberal Democratic Party (LDP) | To | Debating the Private Healthcare Bill |
| Message | We have cut nearly a TRİLLİON Rubles in taxes since 4500, so i would disagree with that statement from our collegues from the NCP |
| Date | 02:30:22, April 25, 2019 CET | From | National Conservative Party | To | Debating the Private Healthcare Bill |
| Message | But a decent healthcare is ensured at low cost. You've admitted that cost would increase, so how will taking away free healthcare from the poor while also increasing the prices effect them? Healthcare is far too imperative of an area to leave up to the profit-minded and fluctuating market, it's something which we have to make sure that every citizen has, because what's the alternative? Death. I may sound like a broken record, but the lives of our citizens isn't something which should depend on the market. What we meant is that taxes have rarely been cut along with Healthcare, they've typically been cut at different periods. |
| Date | 03:10:48, April 25, 2019 CET | From | Centrist Party | To | Debating the Private Healthcare Bill |
| Message | We support our current health care system and don't see a need to support this bill |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 122 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 153 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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