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Bill: Political Independence of Civil Servicemen
Details
Submitted by[?]: Zuman Independence Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2070
Description[?]:
| Our civil servicemen should be politicallly independent. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Appointments and requirements for government employees.
Old value:: Government employees are selected and appointed in a political way.
Current: Government employees are selected and appointed in a political way.
Proposed: All government employees have to promise political independence.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 12:57:20, June 13, 2005 CET | From |  Libertarian Party of Valruzia | To | Debating the Political Independence of Civil Servicemen |
| Message | What is "political independence" anyway and how do you intend to maintain it? |
| Date | 13:00:31, June 13, 2005 CET | From | Deadly Buzz Party | To | Debating the Political Independence of Civil Servicemen |
| Message | Civil servicemen shouldnt have to swear political independance. They would be working for the country and not for whatever pparty is in power. |
| Date | 14:42:13, June 13, 2005 CET | From | Zuman Independence Party | To | Debating the Political Independence of Civil Servicemen |
| Message | That is just what this bill ensures. They can still be members of parties, they will just have to swear not to let that affect their work. VOTE YES |
| Date | 00:52:05, June 14, 2005 CET | From | Restoration Party | To | Debating the Political Independence of Civil Servicemen |
| Message | hmm...i don't know about this...all i know is that we should pack the civil service in our three ministries quick in case this passes, in which case our foreign policy will always be pro-monarchy! OK we vote YES! |
| Date | 02:45:16, June 14, 2005 CET | From |  Liberal Democrats | To | Debating the Political Independence of Civil Servicemen |
| Message | We'll vote no, you can't enforce such a thing. |
| Date | 08:50:56, June 14, 2005 CET | From | Zuman Independence Party | To | Debating the Political Independence of Civil Servicemen |
| Message | Why not? |
| Date | 10:04:32, June 14, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Democrats | To | Debating the Political Independence of Civil Servicemen |
| Message | Think practical. In what kind of way would you enforce it? |
| Date | 11:01:01, June 14, 2005 CET | From | Zuman Independence Party | To | Debating the Political Independence of Civil Servicemen |
| Message | They would have to swear as mentioned and we would create a small group that deals with complains concerning the civil servicemen's possible vialation of the political independence. |
| Date | 23:36:54, June 14, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian Party of Valruzia | To | Debating the Political Independence of Civil Servicemen |
| Message | Nope, not going to waste money like that on creating another agency for a petty cause. |
| Date | 01:41:37, June 15, 2005 CET | From | Alliance for Natural Law | To | Debating the Political Independence of Civil Servicemen |
| Message | I don't see it creating an agency. It is, however not enforceable, and would undermine all oaths taken. Much as I like the idea, I'd likely vote no. |
| Date | 18:24:36, June 15, 2005 CET | From | Zuman Independence Party | To | Debating the Political Independence of Civil Servicemen |
| Message | Well if any civil servicemen ever try to undermine our policies, then they will be shot. |
| Date | 23:42:13, June 15, 2005 CET | From | Alliance for Natural Law | To | Debating the Political Independence of Civil Servicemen |
| Message | Hmm. . . a bit strict, no? |
| Date | 21:20:47, June 16, 2005 CET | From | Zuman Independence Party | To | Debating the Political Independence of Civil Servicemen |
| Message | I mean that it is the way we will settle any matter concerning political independence if this bill does not get passed. |
| Date | 20:24:22, June 19, 2005 CET | From | Social-Liberty Party | To | Debating the Political Independence of Civil Servicemen |
| Message | I don't know about that... |
| Date | 16:15:10, June 21, 2005 CET | From | Zuman Independence Party | To | Debating the Political Independence of Civil Servicemen |
| Message | Oh but the TCP will take such actions, no doubt about it. |
| Date | 16:58:40, June 21, 2005 CET | From | Social-Liberty Party | To | Debating the Political Independence of Civil Servicemen |
| Message | By all rights any TCP officials commiting murder will be arrested. I haven't seen any proposals to legalize murder after all. |
| Date | 01:05:34, June 22, 2005 CET | From | Alliance for Natural Law | To | Debating the Political Independence of Civil Servicemen |
| Message | Oh, there really is a proposal attached to this. I never noticed that before. |
| Date | 12:00:23, June 22, 2005 CET | From | Progressive Labor Party | To | Debating the Political Independence of Civil Servicemen |
| Message | If they are not independent, every time a govt changes then everyone gets sacked. Wheres the job security? Also constantly sacking/rehiring etc would probably cost more then an agency enforcing independence. |
| Date | 12:06:18, June 22, 2005 CET | From | Progressive Labor Party | To | Debating the Political Independence of Civil Servicemen |
| Message | Plus you are underestimating the media's input in enforcing impartiality. Media coverage creates further accountability. Accountability is hardly a petty cause. Is it? |
| Date | 12:44:47, June 22, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Democrats | To | Debating the Political Independence of Civil Servicemen |
| Message | If they are not independent, every time a govt changes then everyone gets sacked. Wheres the job security? Also constantly sacking/rehiring etc would probably cost more then an agency enforcing independence. --- I honestly don't care that much if a civil servant that's quite low in ranking has extreme ideas and doesn't agree with the government, as long as he does his job. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 72 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 78 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 25 |
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