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Bill: Law and Order Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Peasants League
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2214
Description[?]:
| Crminals should be punished, not paid. Hence healthy prisoners will be forced to work on public works schemes that benefit the communities that they have attacked. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The citizens' right to assemble in public.
Old value:: There are no restrictions on the right of citizens to assemble in groups.
Current: The police may disperse a group if they believe it poses a potential risk to public safety.
Proposed: The police may disperse a group if they believe it poses a potential risk to public safety.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Curfew policy (curfew time to be determined in the bill description).
Old value:: No curfew policies may be established.
Current: Local governments may impose curfews, but only if a state of emergency has been declared.
Proposed: Local governments may set curfews, but national government does not.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Government policy with respect to the death penalty.
Old value:: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Current: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Proposed: The death penalty is applied for capital crimes.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The weapons used by police forces.
Old value:: Police officers carry standard firearms.
Current: Police officers may only carry standard firearms apart from specially trained firearms units.
Proposed: Police officers may only carry standard firearms apart from specially trained firearms units.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change Prison policy concerning prisoner labor.
Old value:: Prisoners can do certain jobs in prison, voluntarily, for a small wage.
Current: Prisoners can do certain jobs in prison, voluntarily, for a small wage.
Proposed: Able-bodied prisoners have to work during the day.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:43:58, April 10, 2006 CET | From |  Voter Apathy Party | To | Debating the Law and Order Bill |
| Message | We love articles 1,3,4,& 5. Article 2 we really could care less about that article. We will vote for this. It's about time we can get our country safe again. |
| Date | 21:49:56, April 10, 2006 CET | From | Peasants League | To | Debating the Law and Order Bill |
| Message | Yes 2 is a bit of an oddity, but if Local goevrnment feel it would help, then why not? |
| Date | 03:07:51, April 11, 2006 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Law and Order Bill |
| Message | We support Articles 1, 2, and 4, and oppose articles 3 and 5. |
| Date | 03:52:35, April 11, 2006 CET | From | Communist Party of Saridan | To | Debating the Law and Order Bill |
| Message | LP: you claim to be libertarian, yet support curfews? Absurd. |
| Date | 03:55:39, April 11, 2006 CET | From | Communist Party of Saridan | To | Debating the Law and Order Bill |
| Message | 1 infringes on our right to assemble. Arostok, change your profile now. 2: Creates a police state in Saridan. 3: 3 gives the government way too much power. The governing body should not have the power to take human life. 4 we support 5: creates slave labor in prisons, hurting our paid laborers in Saridan, and creating horrendous conditions for the unpaid workers (labor laws do not apply). |
| Date | 06:12:40, April 11, 2006 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Law and Order Bill |
| Message | LSA, we don't like curfews that much, but we don't think the Federal Government should have the power to either impose them or forbid local governments from doing so. |
| Date | 12:28:32, April 11, 2006 CET | From | Peasants League | To | Debating the Law and Order Bill |
| Message | 1) If a group are acting in a manner that could lead to criminal activity, surely it is better for the police to nip it in the bud and disperse the crowd, rather than allowing criminal activity to occur. 2) How does it create a police state? No local authority is under any onligation to use a curfew. 3) Currently the government allows abortion. If the government allows innocents to be executed, then i must have he moral authority to execute those who are guilty of capital offences. 5) This will not hurt paid labourers if prisoners are put on work that help the community, such as digging drains. Secondly, creating horrendous conditions? You mean like, living in an enclosed area or having your freedom of movement curtailed? |
| Date | 14:10:45, April 11, 2006 CET | From | Voter Apathy Party | To | Debating the Law and Order Bill |
| Message | haha, figures the LSA would like to let the idiots of the country reign supreme rather than protect the average person's right to safety and security. |
| Date | 22:38:05, April 11, 2006 CET | From | Christian Left Party | To | Debating the Law and Order Bill |
| Message | Figures the LSA would rather people have a right to freedom and a good life then creating a police state. "Those who would sacrifice essential liberties for a little temporary safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." -Ben Franklin Maybe you guys should read the quotes at the bottom of the page a little more often, you might learn a thing or two... |
| Date | 20:01:46, April 13, 2006 CET | From | Communist Party of Saridan | To | Debating the Law and Order Bill |
| Message | "A potential threat to public safety" is very vague! Policemen will be able to use that excuse to jail anyone who protests against the government. You're right that only some local governments will establish curfews if the bill passes. But I think that for any government to say when its citizens can leave their homes is appalling; it is a blatant violation of our basic freedom of action. If this passes, next it will be: our citizens will need government permission to leave their homes! Stopping the development of a zygote is one thing. Using chemicals on prisoners and killing them slowly is another thing entirely. Let me reiterate: in no way will prisoner slave labor help the community! They take jobs away from paid unskilled workers in Saridan, and they are overworked by the prison masters. |
| Date | 18:08:43, April 15, 2006 CET | From | Peasants League | To | Debating the Law and Order Bill |
| Message | [[Maybe you guys should read the quotes at the bottom of the page a little more often, you might learn a thing or two...]] - aren't those quotes largely irrelevent within the game, as none of those quoted have ever existed in Terra. [["A potential threat to public safety" is very vague! Policemen will be able to use that excuse to jail anyone who protests against the government.]] - granted, it is vague, but we in the PL have absolute faith in the constabulary. [[You're right that only some local governments will establish curfews if the bill passes. But I think that for any government to say when its citizens can leave their homes is appalling; it is a blatant violation of our basic freedom of action. If this passes, next it will be: our citizens will need government permission to leave their homes!]] - this is scaremongering, there are times when a curfew is necessary to protect certain idiots. [[Stopping the development of a zygote is one thing. Using chemicals on prisoners and killing them slowly is another thing entirely.]] - yes, the former is the killing of an innocent, the latter is the killing of someone who is not innocent. [[Let me reiterate: in no way will prisoner slave labor help the community! They take jobs away from paid unskilled workers in Saridan, and they are overworked by the prison masters.]] - ?The hard labour that prisoners do is not usually work that the lawabiding do, for example cleaning the latrines in a prison, or working in the prison kitchen. As to be overworked, so what? The criminals are repaying their debt to society, not engaging in a promising and exciting career. As to taking away jobs from unskilled workers, why is that a problem for you when it is other Saridans taking away the jobs, but not when it is immigrants? |
| Date | 22:39:45, April 15, 2006 CET | From | Communist Party of Saridan | To | Debating the Law and Order Bill |
| Message | A unicellular organism is innocent...Oy... About the prisoners: We're not talking about work in the prisons...I'm talking about work they are forced to do in the rest of Saridan, doing work that normal Saridanian laborers can do. Prisoners have long been forced to work for the capitalist class, doing much of the work our laboreres should do, and greatly hurting the labor unions. I'm not sure why you trust policemen. They are an arm of the capitalist class whose purpose is to prevent revolution and uprisings by the poor. |
| Date | 00:52:47, April 16, 2006 CET | From | Social Democratic Centrists | To | Debating the Law and Order Bill |
| Message | We don't like #5, but we can live with the rest. |
| Date | 04:05:21, April 16, 2006 CET | From | Communist Party of Saridan | To | Debating the Law and Order Bill |
| Message | SDC!!! Nooooo...don't legalize the death penalty!! Gah, even the good parties are going backwards in this country. |
| Date | 10:40:49, April 16, 2006 CET | From | Communist Party of Saridan | To | Debating the Law and Order Bill |
| Message | I thought you based your governance on Denmark (a good idea). Death penalty is illegal in Denmark. |
| Date | 13:58:28, April 16, 2006 CET | From | Peasants League | To | Debating the Law and Order Bill |
| Message | [[I'm not sure why you trust policemen. They are an arm of the capitalist class whose purpose is to prevent revolution and uprisings by the poor.]] Probably because of the nonsense spouted by nutters within the LSA. Who should we trust? Those who actually fight crime and protect people, or those within the LSA who for some reason see the police as the enemy? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 455 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 295 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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