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Bill: Restore Countryside Order
Details
Submitted by[?]: Christian Democrats
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 2226
Description[?]:
| "The end of hostilities still leaves Keymon with simmering problems. Foreign terrorists who flocked to our nation to aid in the insurgency still live illegally in our country. We've always been a welcoming nation, but turning a blind eye to a foreign insurgency in our midst is as sane as turning a blind eye to cancer just because it has gone into remission. We should act." -- Sonny Delgado |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change
The government's stance on illegal aliens.
Old value:: The government does not actively search for illegal aliens, but expels them from the country when discovered.
Current: The government actively searches houses for illegal aliens and puts them in integration centers when discovered.
Proposed: The government actively searches houses for illegal aliens and expels them from the country.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:42:32, May 10, 2006 CET | From |  Duchy's People's Party | To | Debating the Restore Countryside Order |
| Message | This is a waste of time. Your party argues that we have no money for weapons systems yet you want to spend money on searching for foriegn terrorists in keymon, not that the DPP have heard of any, when the chances of finding them are tiny. |
| Date | 19:02:41, May 10, 2006 CET | From | Christian Democrats | To | Debating the Restore Countryside Order |
| Message | "God's balls, I propose that the DPP think. Nuclear weapons systems cost hundreds of millions of KEDs. Searching for foreign insurgents in a population of barely 600,000? That's pennies by comparison. With a state of emergency, we can impose a curfew and do quick house-to-house searches. Where do you get the batty idea that this search will cost as much as developing a nuclear deterrent? Are you going to oppose installing water coolers in the Assembly because we're against a nuclear deterrent? It makes as much sense. They both cost money, after all." -- Sonny Delgado "Mr. Delgado speaks brashly, but he is also correct. There just isn't money for a nuclear arsenal - not even the entire budget could pay for that - but we do have a fair Justice budget. The cost of this program is negligible when compared to the vast expense of developing and maintaing nuclear weapons. My esteemed colleague from the DPP surely must know that, so surely he must be speaking off the cuff. We stand by this program." -- Vivanne Dynamis, acting Director General |
| Date | 19:14:12, May 10, 2006 CET | From | Duchy's People's Party | To | Debating the Restore Countryside Order |
| Message | you blow my argument well out of proportion. I wasn't comparing the costs of making nuclear weapons and searches, i was merely saying that such searches are a waste of time and will come to nothing, where as a weapons system could be beneficial should we come under attack. My point about the money is that the Cd wont even consider putting forward any money for a beneficial progam such as nuclear weapons, yet they will pump as much money as they can into an insignificant program of searches in order to continue their vendetta against the insurgents. Keymon has moved on, the insurgency is not a threat for the time being, we hope that the other parties of Keymon will recognise this and vote this bill down. |
| Date | 19:21:47, May 10, 2006 CET | From | Christian Democrats | To | Debating the Restore Countryside Order |
| Message | "Asking us to consider putting money into nuclear weapons is like asking us to fund an army of a million men. Keymon doesn't have a million men; similarly, it doesn't have the millions of KEDs required to develop and maintain a nuclear deterrent. You might as well demand that we put a colony on the moon, or give every citizen in Keymon a brand new luxury car. Do you have any idea how much such a program costs? Never mind that - do you know what our government income even is?" -- Sonny Delgado |
| Date | 22:14:19, May 10, 2006 CET | From | Duchy's People's Party | To | Debating the Restore Countryside Order |
| Message | we aren't saying paying all at once. We could save up over a period of time to pay for weapons. Also we are not saying that we need thousands of weapons, only a few to act as some kind of detterance |
| Date | 23:25:08, May 10, 2006 CET | From | Christian Democrats | To | Debating the Restore Countryside Order |
| Message | "The cost of researching, developing and producing a singular nuclear device is approximately 5 billion KED - perhaps as high as 20 billion KED. (*). If we donated our entire budget to that project, and it cost the low estimate, we would produce one bomb by 2245. That's twenty years.' Conversely, rooting out foreign fighters and sending them out of the country will not cost 250 million KED. It might cost a million." -- Vivanne Dynamis, acting Director General (*) Using real-world, the cost for the US to produce a bomb in 1945 was $5 billion/bomb, probably more. The estimated cost of Pakistan's nuclear program is also $5-$25 billion. If the hypothetical exchange rate between Terra's KED and the real-world dollar is worse than one to one, then it costs even more. Those price tags are in 2006 dollars. If anybody has any in-game stats I can use instead, I'm game. :) |
| Date | 10:26:16, May 11, 2006 CET | From | Duchy's People's Party | To | Debating the Restore Countryside Order |
| Message | ok you've proven your point, but i still dont see the point of passing this bill. Plus having one bomb is always better than none at all. :P |
| Date | 12:16:27, May 11, 2006 CET | From | Red Star Movement | To | Debating the Restore Countryside Order |
| Message | DPP - that was badly worded, of course they want to find 'terrorists'. Also, this again comes forth from the CD bastion of oppression. Yes! Let's invade people's homes on the basic premice that they may in fact by illegal! Who cares if we're wrong! This is a stupid bill, why waste time and money searching for the very workers that hold up the economy by providing cheap labour? Don't say this doesn't happen, because it does. Everywhere. As there illegal their employers has no right to pay them suitably, thus they are opressed. We do not condone this in the slightest, but they often prefer it to be sent home. The economy would crumble if this cornerstone were to be removed. Think of Keymon as a tower of 'Jenga' blocks. These illegal immigrants are right at the bottom, holding everything else up. Take this one away. What happens? The rest comes crumbling down. This is a dire situaion for any economy to be in, but it happens. We cannot destroy the Keymon economy for the sake of deporting a few illegal immigrants. |
| Date | 20:11:04, May 11, 2006 CET | From | Christian Democrats | To | Debating the Restore Countryside Order |
| Message | "Official unemployment in Keymon has always been very low. At the height of Christian Democrat rule, it was between 3 and 4%, but went up after the insurgency began. If our corporate profits were very high, we would suspect that unemployment is low because our economy is booming. Corporate profits, however, are very low. That means the economy is okay, but not booming. If that is the case, and unemployment is still low, we would guess that there are very few illegal immigrants in the country trying to get jobs. Rather, we suspect the illegal foreigners present in Keymon traveled here to participate in the insurgency. We encourage all parties to take a look at corporate profits and unemployment figures to see how we came to this conclusion." -- Vivanne Dynamis, Director General |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 37 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 70 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 13 |
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