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Bill: Civil Liberties Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Workers Democratic Union
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2070
Description[?]:
| ID cards pose athreat to civil liberties allowing government to check up on the people. They are also an expensive waste of money |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government-issued identity card policy.
Old value:: All citizens are issued with identity cards but are not required to carry them.
Current: All citizens are issued with identity cards but are not required to carry them.
Proposed: Citizens are not issued with identity cards.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:54:15, June 20, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Bill |
| Message | I am ambivalent to the issue and will wait for the opinions of others |
| Date | 19:08:31, June 20, 2005 CET | From | Workers Democratic Union | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Bill |
| Message | I see this as being an essentially Libertarian measure removing the risk of big brother government and also wasteful and un-necessary expenditure. I was hoping to have your support for this |
| Date | 19:27:46, June 20, 2005 CET | From |  Fair Capitalism Party | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Bill |
| Message | We have the same view as the Libertarian party - we will wait for a convicing argument. |
| Date | 19:46:52, June 20, 2005 CET | From | Social Conservative Party | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Bill |
| Message | ID's do not pose a threat to civil liberties. I don't see any harm. There are even some benefits to it. For example, in serious accidents it allows for immeditate recognition of a victim that has passed out or worse, and therefore to warn his or her relatives. Just the first thing that comes to mind. As long as we are not talking about ID's with a chip, and even more so about ID's that can be tracked by a satellite or whatever, there is no big brother in the game here. |
| Date | 20:09:14, June 20, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Bill |
| Message | I am also not very eager to change this as there were heavy discussions around when we settled on current version. |
| Date | 20:38:37, June 20, 2005 CET | From | Aloria Green Socialist Party | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Bill |
| Message | I'd be happy to get rid of them. People already have suitable ID, like licenses & passports. We see no use for ID cards. They are potentially dangerous and a waste of Aloria's money. |
| Date | 21:47:07, June 20, 2005 CET | From | Social Conservative Party | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Bill |
| Message | I don't see why an ID card would be any more dangerous than driver's licenses. |
| Date | 22:33:26, June 20, 2005 CET | From | Workers Democratic Union | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Bill |
| Message | Cheers AGSP, I don't like ID cards as it means government has a database on everyone which could be put to distinctly authoritarian uses |
| Date | 23:04:44, June 20, 2005 CET | From | Social Conservative Party | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Bill |
| Message | Come on, more than half of Europe has these ID's, and they don't bother anyone. To me it means that the government is more advanced than one who has absolutely no idea how many people there are, where they live, etc. You're going back to the Middle Ages. Even we aren't that conservative ;) The problem is not the ID itself, it's what's ON the ID. when the government starts asking for a religion etc. on that thing, that could be cause for alarm. But no one is talking about that. |
| Date | 23:19:39, June 20, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian Party | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Bill |
| Message | OK, I am willing to vote for the bill. |
| Date | 23:42:47, June 20, 2005 CET | From | Workers Democratic Union | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Bill |
| Message | Thanks for the support LP and AGSP I'm going to the vote now |
| Date | 17:46:00, June 21, 2005 CET | From | Workers Democratic Union | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Bill |
| Message | I thought you were voting for this LP |
| Date | 01:50:53, June 22, 2005 CET | From | Workers Democratic Union | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Bill |
| Message | Cheers LP |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 249 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 44 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 107 |
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