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Bill: Civil Liberties Bill

Details

Submitted by^[?]: Workers Democratic Union

Status^[?]: passed

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: March 2070

Description^[?]:

ID cards pose athreat to civil liberties allowing government to check up on the people. They are also an expensive waste of money

Proposal^[?] to change Government-issued identity card policy.

Old value:: All citizens are issued with identity cards but are not required to carry them.

Current: All citizens are issued with identity cards but are not required to carry them.

Proposed: Citizens are not issued with identity cards.

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date	18:54:15, June 20, 2005 CET
From	Libertarian Party
To	Debating the Civil Liberties Bill
Message	I am ambivalent to the issue and will wait for the opinions of others

Date	19:08:31, June 20, 2005 CET
From	Workers Democratic Union
To	Debating the Civil Liberties Bill
Message	I see this as being an essentially Libertarian measure removing the risk of big brother government and also wasteful and un-necessary expenditure. I was hoping to have your support for this

Date	19:27:46, June 20, 2005 CET
From	Fair Capitalism Party
To	Debating the Civil Liberties Bill
Message	We have the same view as the Libertarian party - we will wait for a convicing argument.

Date	19:46:52, June 20, 2005 CET
From	Social Conservative Party
To	Debating the Civil Liberties Bill
Message	ID's do not pose a threat to civil liberties. I don't see any harm. There are even some benefits to it. For example, in serious accidents it allows for immeditate recognition of a victim that has passed out or worse, and therefore to warn his or her relatives. Just the first thing that comes to mind. As long as we are not talking about ID's with a chip, and even more so about ID's that can be tracked by a satellite or whatever, there is no big brother in the game here.

Date	20:09:14, June 20, 2005 CET
From	Libertarian Party
To	Debating the Civil Liberties Bill
Message	I am also not very eager to change this as there were heavy discussions around when we settled on current version.

Date	20:38:37, June 20, 2005 CET
From	Aloria Green Socialist Party
To	Debating the Civil Liberties Bill
Message	I'd be happy to get rid of them. People already have suitable ID, like licenses & passports. We see no use for ID cards. They are potentially dangerous and a waste of Aloria's money.

Date	21:47:07, June 20, 2005 CET
From	Social Conservative Party
To	Debating the Civil Liberties Bill
Message	I don't see why an ID card would be any more dangerous than driver's licenses.

Date	22:33:26, June 20, 2005 CET
From	Workers Democratic Union
To	Debating the Civil Liberties Bill
Message	Cheers AGSP, I don't like ID cards as it means government has a database on everyone which could be put to distinctly authoritarian uses

Date	23:04:44, June 20, 2005 CET
From	Social Conservative Party
To	Debating the Civil Liberties Bill
Message	Come on, more than half of Europe has these ID's, and they don't bother anyone. To me it means that the government is more advanced than one who has absolutely no idea how many people there are, where they live, etc. You're going back to the Middle Ages. Even we aren't that conservative ;) The problem is not the ID itself, it's what's ON the ID. when the government starts asking for a religion etc. on that thing, that could be cause for alarm. But no one is talking about that.

Date	23:19:39, June 20, 2005 CET
From	Libertarian Party
To	Debating the Civil Liberties Bill
Message	OK, I am willing to vote for the bill.

Date	23:42:47, June 20, 2005 CET
From	Workers Democratic Union
To	Debating the Civil Liberties Bill
Message	Thanks for the support LP and AGSP I'm going to the vote now

Date	17:46:00, June 21, 2005 CET
From	Workers Democratic Union
To	Debating the Civil Liberties Bill
Message	I thought you were voting for this LP

Date	01:50:53, June 22, 2005 CET
From	Workers Democratic Union
To	Debating the Civil Liberties Bill
Message	Cheers LP

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yes

Total Seats: 249

Total Seats: 44

abstain

Total Seats: 107

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