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Bill: Bill of Civil Rights
Details
Submitted by[?]: Vuloch Ca Korzia
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2071
Description[?]:
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Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The citizens' right to assemble in public.
Old value:: The police may disperse a group if they believe it poses a potential risk to public safety.
Current: The police may disperse a group without giving any reason.
Proposed: There are no restrictions on the right of citizens to assemble in groups.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government-issued identity card policy.
Old value:: All citizens are issued with identity cards and are required to carry them at all times.
Current: All citizens are issued with identity cards and are required to carry them at all times.
Proposed: Citizens are issued with identity cards on a voluntary basis.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The weapons used by police forces.
Old value:: Police officers carry military-grade equipment.
Current: Police officers carry military-grade equipment.
Proposed: Police officers may only carry non-lethal weapons.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change The use of torture for obtaining information.
Old value:: Suspects can only be tortured under grave emergencies where the information is vital.
Current: It is at the discretion of the police officer to torture suspects for information.
Proposed: Torture is never allowed.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:15:08, June 22, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Bill of Civil Rights |
| Message | Those aren't civil rights, those are just laws that support anarchy and chaos. |
| Date | 16:17:39, June 22, 2005 CET | From | Vuloch Ca Korzia | To | Debating the Bill of Civil Rights |
| Message | Yeah...because most European nations are in total anarchy :p |
| Date | 16:19:13, June 22, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Bill of Civil Rights |
| Message | Totally! But considering our massive population, I don't think we should always consider that European policies would work in a massive nation such as Darnussia. It's all well and good if you have less than 10 million people to look over...but when you have over 70 million, it gets a tad chaotic letting them off on their own. And we don't even have I.Q. tests done on our citizens. |
| Date | 16:24:03, June 22, 2005 CET | From | Vuloch Ca Korzia | To | Debating the Bill of Civil Rights |
| Message | We don't have over 70 million, we have 43 million. Besides, bigger nations like Germany, France, Italy and the UK all have a less authoritarian system. Cripes, even RUSSIA is more Liberal than this. |
| Date | 17:58:25, June 22, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Bill of Civil Rights |
| Message | Whoops, I forgot the population ticker was reset by the admin by accident and we're not longer at 60 million. My bad. In any case... |
| Date | 22:41:43, June 22, 2005 CET | From | Progressive Democratic Alliance | To | Debating the Bill of Civil Rights |
| Message | We agree with this bill except for Article 3. The police may need that equipment to protect itself and innocents though we do believe the police should receive training and a liscence to use those firearms. A report should also be filled out upon use of such weapon so as to not harm others. Maybe instead, the firearms should be armed with tranquilizers? Nevertheless, we vote yes on this bill. |
| Date | 23:27:32, June 22, 2005 CET | From | Vuloch Ca Korzia | To | Debating the Bill of Civil Rights |
| Message | SEP, you are correct. We do not advocate the complete replacement of police protection. However what we do propose (and I quote) is that 'Police officers may only carry non-lethal weapons.' Tranquilizers are acceptable, automatic weapons are not. |
| Date | 11:42:14, June 23, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Bill of Civil Rights |
| Message | why are you comparing these policies with european policies? no european countrie has non-lethal weapons for it's police, no european contrie only lets people get an ID on voluntary base... And no european country has no resctrictions on assembly... well maybe liechtenstein... |
| Date | 11:42:53, June 23, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Bill of Civil Rights |
| Message | Russia is less liberal then us. |
| Date | 11:43:26, June 23, 2005 CET | From | Libertarian party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Bill of Civil Rights |
| Message | yes, bats and tranquelizers very intimidating for criminals... |
| Date | 19:33:11, June 23, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Bill of Civil Rights |
| Message | no european countrie has non-lethal weapons for it's police, no european contrie only lets people get an ID on voluntary base... And no european country has no resctrictions on assembly... Britain has unarmed police as the norm, and specialist armed police for situtions which needs them Britain has No ID cards at the moment and if we do get them then they will be voluntary |
| Date | 21:26:04, June 23, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party of Darnussia | To | Debating the Bill of Civil Rights |
| Message | How unfair, the majority of parties support this fine bill, yet two aprties with uber majorities |
| Date | 21:38:01, June 23, 2005 CET | From | Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Bill of Civil Rights |
| Message | Well it's the people's choice that we have uber majorities. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 326 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 364 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 60 |
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