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Bill: The Keymon Enigma
Details
Submitted by[?]: Likaton Coalition of the Willing
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes the withdrawal from a treaty. It will require half of the legislature to vote in favor[?]. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 2263
Description[?]:
| At this time, this Bill is clearly no longer valid. We submit it to vote, under the assumption that all will vote against, but this bill and the associated debate will be recorded in our statue books, as a lesson to future generations. The Righteous Order of the Holy Star said: "In light of the Keymon attempts to provoke all out war with our Valruzian neighbours. (for their laughable excuses see here: "http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewnation.php?nationid=17&offset=18&newfirst=0#messages ) We propose withdrawal from their clearly false Neutrality Treaty. This can be re-ratified at such time Keymon pay reparations, or can prove their neutrality was not compromised. Mr J. Edgar Vandemaar Esq." As they are now vanquished, we must look at this stiuation again. Keymon are re-arming. This in itself is unfortunate, as it will damage their' neutral' credibility, and the idea of forming an army for peace is clearly oxymoronic, thus we can only assume that this army is to be used for non-peaceful purposes. http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=72197 http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=72346 Worse yet, for Keymon's neutrality, the army is being funded by other nations; http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=72244 http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=72243 It is clear that Keymons neutrality has been badly compromised. We in the Freedom Movement therefore pose the following questions; Should we withdraw from the neutrality treay, until such time as it is credible? Should we offer military or financial aid to Keymon, to prevent other nations gaining a foothold? Should we offer to take this island under our wing, and bring it under our military protection? |
Proposals
Article 1
Withdraw from the Keymon Neutrality Agreement.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 04:09:44, July 17, 2006 CET | From |  Party for National Reform and Freedom | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | This was not the action of Keymon government, but rather of a member of our small party. |
| Date | 04:21:06, July 17, 2006 CET | From |  Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | Clearly, this was a tactic designed to damage Likatonian standing on the global stage. Once aware of the plans for Greater Likatonia, your government arranged a black ops team to come in and try and start a war. We don't expect you to admit it, but we are not fools. The RSAHS |
| Date | 04:43:04, July 17, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | Even now, Keymon are debating investing in an aggressive Nuclear Weapons programme, and are themselves looking to withdraw from this very treaty! http://80.237.164.51/particracy/main/viewbill.php?billid=71831#messages |
| Date | 05:03:06, July 17, 2006 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | In the same way that the LFF troops crossing the border was no reflection on the governmental process of THIS nation as a whole, the unsanctioned crossing of Keymon's troops into our territory is similarly an unfortunate move... but not an 'act of war' by a sovereign power. While certain elements of our OWN government insist on trying to cause international incidents, I think it behooves us to try to remain calm in the face of similar provocations. ME refuse to condone the HSP's militaristic penchant. |
| Date | 05:03:55, July 17, 2006 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | "We refuse".... OOC: It looks like cookie monster wrote our last press release... |
| Date | 20:15:50, July 17, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | Clearly, following the removal of the warmongers and hawks from our ranks, we cannot support war, however we suggest, for prudence sake, that this Bill remains in the debate phase until the outcome of the Keymon debate is known. Freedom for all. |
| Date | 22:14:52, July 17, 2006 CET | From | Christian Democrats | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | "I assure you that there is no debate. A minority party with very little support is agitating to develop nuclear weapons and also sent mercenaries to Likatonia. We have banned the insurgent terrorist movement and have proposed legislation to give the government power to root them out. Note that the responsible parties are the PNRF (who are not members of our conservative government), and the DPP (a communist party whose insurgency was defeated twenty years ago by our government, but has returned to Keymon.) As you can see, the government of Keymon does not support, sponsor, or condone these actions. All involved terrorists are being arrested by Justice and prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. With these facts known, I trust that the legislature of Likatonia will agree that we have worked hard to maintain our neutrality. Our party has governed Keymon, or been part of the governing coalition, since 2187. We are ideologically opposed to nuclear weapons and support neutrality, and our stance has been unchanged for over five decades even though fly-by-night communists and rabble-rousers occasionally seek to upset things." -- Kyle Douglas, Foreign Minister of Keymon |
| Date | 04:36:16, July 18, 2006 CET | From | Party for National Reform and Freedom | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | "The Mr. Robinson Affair as it has come to be known is an illegitamite and illegal action by the former party head. As interm Party Head it is my duty here to denounce his actions once again, and I invite you to see our statement from the conference attached. Robinson must be brought to justice, wether it be in Keymon or Likatonia, his actions were not party actions nor actions of Keymon but of a man who has lost his place, lost his will to resist, and frustrated with the international scene." http://www.takeforum.com/particracy/viewtopic.php?p=100455&mforum=particracy#100455 |
| Date | 16:26:22, July 18, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | Whilst the 'Mr Robinson Affair' may have been unofficial, nevertheless the facts remain; A citizen of Keymon, came to our nation, and attempted to provoke war. Sanctioned or not, Keymon must accept tresponsibility for it's citizens, and take appropriate action to recompense Likatonia. A full and unreserved admission of liability, and an apology, copied to the international press should be a start. We hope that Keymon are as keen as us to restore our close relationship to its former untarnished status. Victoria Manion,Chairwoman, The Freedom Movement of Likatonia |
| Date | 16:54:20, July 18, 2006 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | I hardly think we in Likatonia can do much in the way of complaining about another nation "attempting to provoke war"... |
| Date | 17:00:12, July 18, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | On the contrary, if we are to stand up and take responsibility for our citiznes and our actions, we do our nation a diservice not to expect the same from our close allies. Victoria Manion |
| Date | 17:08:04, July 18, 2006 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | We haven't though... we still have three active Hawks, and have claimed no responsibility for any of our aggression. |
| Date | 17:17:58, July 18, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | We resent that remark, and are most hurt by your Hawk accusation. I believe that Mr Atreides had ample opportunity to take responsibility for Likatonian actions, authorised or not, and Kaiser Crucifer still does. The AAP(R) have been most prominent in this affair. As for Hawks...we are all Likatonian, are all working towards a common goal. Your devisive language, and antagonistic monologues, do not help towards a peaceful resolution, sir. Victoria Manion |
| Date | 17:26:46, July 18, 2006 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | Atreides Anakrousis issued the following statement: "I am sorry that the Freedom Movment is hurt by our comments. But, the fact remains, the Frredom Movement are STILL members of the expanisionist organisation that got us into all the trouble to start with... which still plans conquest. Thus, regardless of the personal beliefs of Victoria Manion, the Freedom Movement can only, hoestly, be considered 'Hawks'. Yes, the AAP has been prominent in apologising for the actions of our Hawk Faction, as has the AM RLP... but neither party was involved in those actions. It is about time some of the guilty parties took responsibility. Finally, such agressive posturing from Victoria Manion? I am saddened. And a little chagrined that I risked AAP militia lives infiltrating the Holy Star dungeons..." |
| Date | 17:37:03, July 18, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | Mr Atreides, I am not of a mind to argue with you, but the facts remain, regardless of personal belief, and aside from the issue of the renegade militia from our side of the border. Keymon, in not accepting responsibility for their part, cheapen any act of contrition we might make. I appreciate that in the heat of debate, regrettable things are said, so shall overlook that last remark. Let us focus on the issue: Were Keymon citizens in the wrong? Yes. Has appropriate regret been shown? No. Keymon, therefore, are behaving in the same way that you accuse the Hawk faction of, and should be treated as such. All we are saying, is give peace a chance. Let us take the first steps. Let all nations stand up, apologise, and take a step back. Victoria Manion. |
| Date | 17:43:00, July 18, 2006 CET | From | Commonwealth Workers Army | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | The AAP believes that the responsible party in Keymon HAS tendered an apology - which is more than can be said for their Likatonian counterpart. We also note that Ms Manion neatly sidesteps her affiliation to the Greater Likatonia Organisation, and the ramifications, thereof. |
| Date | 17:53:22, July 18, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | At this time, the Freedom Movement wish to hear all sides. many of our members believe that our nation has real and justifed claims on a Greater territory, and rather than leave Hawks and warmongers to represent this argument, we are happy to support negotiation and a peacful debate on the issue. We will not leave this issue untouched, but hope to mediate between the more aggressive factions of both sides, primarily yourselves and the LFF. In terms of Lodamun, Valaruzia, Keymon and Telamon, we cannot and will not sanction aggression on either side, for any reason. Hopefuly that clears things up for you, Mr Atreides. Regarding apologies, whilst the Party may have, the state, formally, has not. This is all we seek to rectify. Victoria Manion |
| Date | 18:29:52, July 18, 2006 CET | From | Christian Democrats | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | "Rogue elements of one of Keymon's minor political parties took it upon themselves to illegally enter Likatonian territory as mercenaries. These elements were not acting as citizens of Keymon, were not representative of their party, and were not in any way acting on behalf of the government of Keymon. We disavowed their expedition every step of the way as soon as we new it was taking place, and have made every effort on every polical forum to make it clear that they were not acting at our behest. To further make clear the distance between my government and these terrorists, I have ordered Justice to strip the mercenaries of Keymon citizenship. I regret that people who were once Keymonian caused harm to the good nation of Likatonia." -- Director General Jaques Phargle |
| Date | 18:44:27, July 18, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | We thank you for you clear response, Director Phargle. We in the Freedom Movement fully accept that the culprits were at no time acting under direct government orders, and were publically rebuked. I hope that steps can be taken to re-build some bridges between our people. Victoria Manion |
| Date | 04:11:23, July 19, 2006 CET | From | Party for National Reform and Freedom | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | "I thank the Christian Democrats for so admiatmently providing our case for us. They understand the situation in great detail. However, this is not the issue for the PNRF anymore, stripping Mr. Robinson of his citizenship, is illegal by our government. It is also contrary to our wishes to see Mr. Robinson brought to justice in Keymon for his theft of party funds, which are as of yet to be recovered. As we have stated in the conference in your neighbouring nation, we will not tolerate any more delays and demand he be brought to trial either in your nation or in ours by January of 2257." B. Keyman - PNRF foreign affairs. |
| Date | 04:58:16, July 19, 2006 CET | From | Christian Democrats | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | "We share Mr. Keyman's concerns in that we believe Likatonia will give Mr. Robinson a fair trial." -- Director General Jaques Phargle |
| Date | 12:19:45, July 19, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Fascist Front | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | What was the Mr Robinson affair? The actions of a single madman, or the actions of single madman that could easily be dismissed by the government of the day if mission failed. Accidents happen. We accept that. But was this an accident ? As a subnote, the forces that crossed the border into Valruzia were NOT LFF troops. They were Likatonian troops lead by Seargent Yatkis de Kimberly, who shall be remembered as one tough mother who didn't flinch when times got tough. It's a shame there werent more like him. |
| Date | 12:25:39, July 19, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Fascist Front | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | We also back the PNRF of Western Meria's calls for Mr Robinson to be brought to trial as soon as possible. |
| Date | 13:21:23, July 20, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Coalition of the Willing | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | The Freedom Movement of Likatonia look to re-open this debate, and have updated the initial brief with new information, that sadly escalates the Keymon situation. Victoria Manion |
| Date | 16:18:29, July 20, 2006 CET | From | Duchy's People's Party | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | "The DPP resent the LFF's refusal to acknowledge the sovereignty of Keymon and issue a warning to them. If this disrespect continues and the LFF refuse to relent with their plans for a Greater Likatonia then we shall by-pass our government and take matters into our own hands." --Tha Don |
| Date | 16:50:19, July 20, 2006 CET | From | Christian Democrats | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | "The re-arming of Keymon is designed to prevent exactly the kind of terrorism the DPP is now threatening you all with. They already formed a communist terrorist militia in Keymon. This militia even managed to seize control of the square in front of the Assembly and issued threats to the building guards. Without any defense, these militias could overthrow the government and we are working tireless to prevent that." -- Director General Jaques Phargle |
| Date | 16:51:42, July 20, 2006 CET | From | Christian Democrats | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | "Keymon would be willing to negotiate to obtain financial aid from Likatonia for purposes of arming ourselves so that we can crush these communists." -- Director General Jaques Phargle |
| Date | 12:05:34, July 21, 2006 CET | From | Likaton Fascist Front | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | The DPP lectures the LFF about respecting soverignty and yet attempts to restrict our freedom of speech within our own convocation. While we can not speak for some of our liberal parties, we would venture to say even they would be annoyed at this attempt at foreign censorship. I would suggest the DPP would have far more pressing matters to worry about in their own 'patch'. As for the CD request for financial aid, the LFF is considering a private party donation. We feel that this could align with our longer term aims. |
| Date | 17:28:41, July 24, 2006 CET | From | Christian Democrats | To | Debating the The Keymon Enigma |
| Message | "WIth respect to the gentleman from Likatonia, we cannot accept private party donations as we are ideologically opposed to private armies. However, the situation in Keymon has worsened dramatically and we would be willing to explore other, more military, means of securing law and order with the assistance of our friends in Likatonia." -- DIrector General Jaques Phargle |
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