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Bill: IPS - Death Penalty Act // 2261
Details
Submitted by[?]: Imperial Party of Selucian
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2263
Description[?]:
| Read the following sentence "The death penalty is not applied, except for terrorism, treason and crimes against mankind" in this words: The death penalty is not applied, except for terrorism, treason and crimes against mankind. In these cases the criminals will be punished "ad metallam" (means to work in the mining) and send to the "Prison Island" This will ensure a person who was punished thou he wasn't guilty will be able to stay still alive and to come back. On the other side we avoid a loss of reputation by sending them on an island, far away from Selucia to work there for the Empire in the mining companies. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy with respect to the death penalty.
Old value:: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Current: The death penalty is applied for capital crimes.
Proposed: The death penalty is not applied, except for terrorism, treason and crimes against mankind.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:59:54, July 29, 2006 CET | From | VBS Party | To | Debating the IPS - Death Penalty Act // 2261 |
| Message | Finally someone that agrees with our stance :) |
| Date | 06:02:22, July 30, 2006 CET | From | Imperial Democratic Coalition | To | Debating the IPS - Death Penalty Act // 2261 |
| Message | If we understand correctly, this means criminals guilty of terrorism, treason & crimes against mankind will -not- be executed, but rather exiled permanently to a remote prison island, where they will toil under the Earth 'til death. Is this correct? If so, we've mixed feelings on it. On the one hand, this isn't really the death penalty; on the other, it's possibly even worse :) ooc--The thing is, isn't this really slavery, not the death penalty? - as this provides free labour for our mining companies' operations. If so, this isn't really the value you need to change (unless I've misinterpreted, of course). |
| Date | 14:17:51, July 30, 2006 CET | From | Imperial Party of Selucian | To | Debating the IPS - Death Penalty Act // 2261 |
| Message | Exactly they would have to work till death. The matter of the death penalty is, it might be possible people who are not guilty get such sentence and it would be a shame to see innocent person die by the Empire's hand. With this proposal those people can return. The next benefit will be to be able to use the resources without the need to build up new towns and major trading posts. It will increase the Empire's income. ooc--- Why should this be slavery ? I just take a look to the US to see worse things going in their prisons. The death penalty is something you can't change really and if the person is really not guilty you killed someone. But to interpret the death penalty as "to be out of the society until the person's death without education and parole programs" just fullfill the same sentence but with a benefit for the society and the possibility to rehabilite the person in the case he should be not guilty. |
| Date | 17:45:08, July 30, 2006 CET | From | Imperial Democratic Coalition | To | Debating the IPS - Death Penalty Act // 2261 |
| Message | We support this proposal. ooc-- I suppose you're correct. The 'slavery as a punishment' option confuses the issue a bit, though. |
| Date | 21:55:48, July 30, 2006 CET | From | VBS Party | To | Debating the IPS - Death Penalty Act // 2261 |
| Message | ***If you want what you describe in your text, why the hell do you want to change the proposal? The law says: never death penalty (execution) With this bill you say: death penalty for terrorists etc., but actually no (execution) death penalty for anyone but just forced labour. Your prefered option is just no death penalty, so don't edit the law then |
| Date | 02:09:53, July 31, 2006 CET | From |  Fraternal Union of Concerned Kinsfolk | To | Debating the IPS - Death Penalty Act // 2261 |
| Message | We of the FUCK agree that working them slowly to death is the best option, because if they turn out to be innocent, we can set them free and give them backpay. BRILLIANT!!! |
| Date | 09:46:34, July 31, 2006 CET | From | Imperial Democratic Coalition | To | Debating the IPS - Death Penalty Act // 2261 |
| Message | ooc- We already have the legislation that 'Able-bodied prisoners have to work during the day.' Thinking about it again, your proposal is more along the lines of a true life sentence - as you said, incarceration until death. I think you should just remove the death penalty article, and make it a resolution modifying the facilities for terrorists/traitors, and the type of work. |
| Date | 11:38:41, July 31, 2006 CET | From | Imperial Party of Selucian | To | Debating the IPS - Death Penalty Act // 2261 |
| Message | Nope, as the current working law for imprisoned people speaks about working and in the next law education. Both together shall bring back the imprisoned people back to he society. Therefore in this case work has rules, safty standards but is just lesser payed then outsite of the prison. The death penalty law is very easy to understand but we will explain this again: The death penalty is a comlex thing as also peole who are not guilty could be punished and the Empire has innocent blood on the fingers. Death penalty as a sentence of "work-till-you-are-dead" makes it able to set innocent free and they are alive. This offers us the way to work in the mining with people who really are "dead" - no citizenship and minimal rights like water, bread, a sleeping place. But the work in the minings is far away to be called "save" at least these minings. They are banned to the "Prison Island" with no chance of return and flee. The other laws the IPP is talking about is a different matter. These people have still their rights are able to get parol and recieve a fair amount of money for their work. They can get parol and are citizens of our Empire. Maybe some of our fellow senatores really should visit these minings to understand the death penalty in it's meaning. |
| Date | 18:24:40, August 01, 2006 CET | From | VBS Party | To | Debating the IPS - Death Penalty Act // 2261 |
| Message | The solution is simple: cut the education in prisons "Therefore in this case work ... is just lesser payed then outsite of the prison." How do you know it's payed at all? BTW if they're in prison for the rest of their life, I guess they can't do anything with the money anyway :) BTW, why not make slavery legal as a punishment? |
| Date | 19:19:26, August 01, 2006 CET | From | Imperial Party of Selucian | To | Debating the IPS - Death Penalty Act // 2261 |
| Message | People who are in prison the rest of their lifes have still rights and cn earn money to spend it for different kind of products. And we will not cut any education for those in prison to be able to resocialize them for the society after their sentence or the time they are out on parole. |
| Date | 20:01:22, August 01, 2006 CET | From | Imperial Party of Selucian | To | Debating the IPS - Death Penalty Act // 2261 |
| Message | The map of "Prison Island": http://hanenberg-media-webdesign.com/bilder/prisonisland01.jpg |
| Date | 21:23:02, August 01, 2006 CET | From | VBS Party | To | Debating the IPS - Death Penalty Act // 2261 |
| Message | It's not the governement that decides how much money prisoners earn and on what they can spend it, it's up to the prison direction. I'm sure the Prison Island direction won't give em the possibility to spend money on usefull things, if they earn money anyway |
| Date | 23:40:44, August 01, 2006 CET | From | Imperial Party of Selucian | To | Debating the IPS - Death Penalty Act // 2261 |
| Message | The VBS missed the points ... not a surprise at all. |
| Date | 13:52:48, August 02, 2006 CET | From | VBS Party | To | Debating the IPS - Death Penalty Act // 2261 |
| Message | The IPS should learn that death penalty = execution, and stop making a fool of himself |
| Date | 20:26:36, August 02, 2006 CET | From | Imperial Party of Selucian | To | Debating the IPS - Death Penalty Act // 2261 |
| Message | vbs like mostly is unable to understand anything ... |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 145 | ||
| no |
Total Seats: 370 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 90 |
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