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Bill: Personal Politics
Details
Submitted by[?]: Kirlawan Unionist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2317
Description[?]:
| We propose that the number of seats is limited to 100. This will create a new era of personal politics, in which delegates will know one another by name, and the public will also know a greater proportion of their delegates, their personalities and characters etc etc Currently the legislature is too big. Too many delegates are nothing but voting fodder, backing their leaders, faceless number who draw wages but are actually irrelevent. Lets cut the waste, sending them back to regional politics, and encourage a greater familiarisation with the national legislature. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The total number of seats in the legislative assembly. Should be between 75 and 750.
Old value:: 747
Current: 180
Proposed: 100
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:12:26, November 17, 2006 CET | From | Socialist People's Party of Kirlawa | To | Debating the Personal Politics |
| Message | No. We had pretty much the same proposal last week. All this would mean is small parties (i.e. you and me) wouldn't get represented. |
| Date | 21:20:19, November 17, 2006 CET | From | Kirlawan Unionist Party | To | Debating the Personal Politics |
| Message | Only on a very fine split, and that would make politics more of a life or death situation for small parties, which would serve as an incentive to propose Bills, and to be very active. |
| Date | 23:44:36, November 17, 2006 CET | From | Kirlawa Democratic Labour | To | Debating the Personal Politics |
| Message | Hell no |
| Date | 23:49:51, November 17, 2006 CET | From | Liberal Progressive Party | To | Debating the Personal Politics |
| Message | No way. You realise that there would be 1 million people per Representative? We have constituency/sub-region politics right now. Everyone has their own Representative. You really should research into how the Kirlawan electoral system works. |
| Date | 00:15:30, November 18, 2006 CET | From | Kirlawan Unionist Party | To | Debating the Personal Politics |
| Message | To your first point, it is a proportional system, it doesn't actually matter how many millions there are to a representative, unless it is a FPTP system, where the representative actually has some link to the population he represents. Yes one knows that we have a regional political system, thats why we have proposed reducing the size of the national legislature. |
| Date | 10:32:49, November 18, 2006 CET | From | Liberal Progressive Party | To | Debating the Personal Politics |
| Message | No, you don't understand. We have a system in which geographical constituencies have representatives. It goes down from the regional to the sub-regional and to the constituency level. Have a look: http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Kirlawan_electoral_systems Basically, if you don't get enough votes from your party's voters to appear high enough ranked in your sub-region to win a seat there, you're tossed out. The politician must listen to his constituents, both at constituency and at wider sub-region (consists of about 10 constituencies) level. |
| Date | 12:57:51, November 18, 2006 CET | From | Kirlawan Unionist Party | To | Debating the Personal Politics |
| Message | How interesting, thats pretty good. owever this proposal would then make each region into about four multi-member constitutencies, which would allow the process to continue, albeit on a larger scale. |
| Date | 13:16:42, November 18, 2006 CET | From | Liberal Progressive Party | To | Debating the Personal Politics |
| Message | I admit the idea is appealing, but we're going to have to consider it carefully. There are flaws - for example, look at these results from 2315 under the system: KFRNFF: 20.21%, 19 seats KPF: 19.58%, 21 seats VCC: 16.61%, 20 seats LPP: 15.68%, 16 seats KDL: 15.47%, 16 seats EPP: 7.18%, 5 seats KLDP: 2.99%, 1 seat SPPK: 2.27%, 2 seats As you can see, there are potential difficulties so we have to be careful. |
| Date | 13:38:45, November 18, 2006 CET | From | Kirlawan Unionist Party | To | Debating the Personal Politics |
| Message | We see that system as providing greater interest to elections, and it further serves as an incentive for parties to propose more legislation in Parliament. The ineffectual KLDP would have been reduced to almost nothing, which woul be a fairer reflection upon their activity within the legislature. |
| Date | 19:54:53, November 18, 2006 CET | From | Kirlawa Democratic Labour | To | Debating the Personal Politics |
| Message | The KLDP got votes, so they should get seats, that is Democracy. I would not say "The Reformed Political Party got votes, but theyshould not get seats!" Basically, NO |
| Date | 20:34:42, November 18, 2006 CET | From | Kirlawan Unionist Party | To | Debating the Personal Politics |
| Message | They did get seats, under both systems. Your comparisom does not take into account the work effort being put in. |
| Date | 23:51:36, November 18, 2006 CET | From |  Veritan Catholic Church | To | Debating the Personal Politics |
| Message | We proposed a reduction last week as well so we will support this decrease. If we can't agree on 100 then how about 150 or 200? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 52 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 593 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 102 |
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